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#1 User is offline   LilStevieW 

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Posted 02 November 2002 - 11:35 AM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 08:36 AM (EST)]Ahem...

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Justin Timberlake : Justified
http://www.nme.com/reviews/11006.htm

This is, culturally, a significant album. Not because of the music (we'll come to that in a minute) but because it's the first concerted attempt by a white teen artist to cross over to a black audience since George Michael. It's a sign of the times - an indication that teen pop in America is dead on its feet and that the 'urban' (ie black) audience is running the Billboard Hot 100. In USA 2002, it's all about Ashanti, not Britney; Nelly and Kelly, not Gareth and Will; Murder Inc, not Cheiron, the Swedish studio that furnished everyone from the Backstreet Boys to Westlife with hits.

In one way - as Nelly argued in NME a few months ago - this is a triumph. Despite two decades of attempts to censor, denigrate and suppress the rock'n'roll of black America (attempts which still go on today - witness Virgin Radio's pathetic boast that they don't play hip-hop or R&B), it's nevertheless clawed its way to commercial supremacy, largely without watering itself down or selling out to whitey. Which brings us to 'Justified'. If you were a talented black vocalist, how would you feel about a white *N Sync member with a half-decent voice getting, apparently effortlessly, the cream of black hip-hop and R&B to co-write and produce his debut solo album? We think you'd be justified in feeling pissed off.

'Justified' sees Timberlake poncing off black talent - Timbaland and The Neptunes - because that's the commercially savvy thing to do. UNLIKE, SAY, DUSTY IN MEMPHIS, BOWIE IN PHILADELPHIA, OR EMINEM IN LA, HE BRINGS NOTHING TO THE TABLE OTHER THAN HIS OWN CELEBRITY STATUS (BINGGGGoooo). Vocally, Usher, to pick a random example, could have him for breakfast. Lyrically (presumably the reason every track bears his co-writing credit) all he's got are soppy platitudes that may or may not be about Britney.

Though NME has only heard the album once (Jive won't let it out of their office for fear of bootleggers), Timberlake, having failed to imprint his personality on 'Justified', simply stands or falls on the strength of the songs. Luckily for him, half a dozen of them - mainly Timbaland's - are brilliant. Next single 'Cry Me A River' melds analogue synthesizers, Arabian riffs and Gregorian chants into something infinitely graceful and mysterious. '(And She Said) Take Me Now', featuring an inaudible Janet Jackson, judders thrillingly though disco, '80s funk and dub. The Neptunes' 'Rock Your Body' could easily fit onto 'Off The Wall' (interestingly, some of the tracks on 'Justified' were originally rejected by Michael Jackson). But Justin isn't the reason they're brilliant - and that's what sticks in the throat.

Alex Needham
Rating: 6
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And let the choir say "AMEN". Adios!
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 12:11 PM

>Ahem...
>
>====
>Justin Timberlake : Justified
>http://www.nme.com/reviews/11006.htm
>
>This is, culturally, a significant album. Not because of the
>music (we'll come to that in a minute) but because it's the
>first concerted attempt by a white teen artist to cross over
>to a black audience since George Michael. It's a sign of the
>times - an indication that teen pop in America is dead on
>its feet and that the 'urban' (ie black) audience is running
>the Billboard Hot 100. In USA 2002, it's all about Ashanti,
>not Britney; Nelly and Kelly, not Gareth and Will; Murder
>Inc, not Cheiron, the Swedish studio that furnished everyone
>from the Backstreet Boys to Westlife with hits.
>
>In one way - as Nelly argued in NME a few months ago - this
>is a triumph. Despite two decades of attempts to censor,
>denigrate and suppress the rock'n'roll of black America
>(attempts which still go on today - witness Virgin Radio's
>pathetic boast that they don't play hip-hop or R&B), it's
>nevertheless clawed its way to commercial supremacy, largely
>without watering itself down or selling out to whitey. Which
>brings us to 'Justified'. If you were a talented black
>vocalist, how would you feel about a white *N Sync member
>with a half-decent voice getting, apparently effortlessly,
>the cream of black hip-hop and R&B to co-write and produce
>his debut solo album? We think you'd be justified in feeling
>pissed off.
>
>'Justified' sees Timberlake poncing off black talent -
>Timbaland and The Neptunes - because that's the commercially
>savvy thing to do. UNLIKE, SAY, DUSTY IN MEMPHIS, BOWIE IN
>PHILADELPHIA, OR EMINEM IN LA, HE BRINGS NOTHING TO THE
>TABLE OTHER THAN HIS OWN CELEBRITY STATUS (BINGGGGoooo).
>Vocally, Usher, to pick a random example, could have him for
>breakfast. Lyrically (presumably the reason every track
>bears his co-writing credit) all he's got are soppy
>platitudes that may or may not be about Britney.
>
>Though NME has only heard the album once (Jive won't let it
>out of their office for fear of bootleggers), Timberlake,
>having failed to imprint his personality on 'Justified',
>simply stands or falls on the strength of the songs. Luckily
>for him, half a dozen of them - mainly Timbaland's - are
>brilliant. Next single 'Cry Me A River' melds analogue
>synthesizers, Arabian riffs and Gregorian chants into
>something infinitely graceful and mysterious. '(And She
>Said) Take Me Now', featuring an inaudible Janet Jackson,
>judders thrillingly though disco, '80s funk and dub. The
>Neptunes' 'Rock Your Body' could easily fit onto 'Off The
>Wall' (interestingly, some of the tracks on 'Justified' were
>originally rejected by Michael Jackson). But Justin isn't
>the reason they're brilliant - and that's what sticks in the
>throat.
>
>Alex Needham
>Rating: 6
>====
>
>And let the choir say "AMEN". Adios!

All I gotta say about this, is people need to stop hating on the boy cuz he is white and wants to do r/b or soul music. Its about to be 2003 and color still plays a big part in mostly everything. How are we gonna advance if different people can't work on other genre's of music without being criticisized?

Also I think Justin blows User away in live performances. Usher is always sounding so tired and struggles to reach his higher notes, while most of the time Justin sings effortlessly, and I haven;t seen a bad Justin/Nsync performance in years.

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Posted 02 November 2002 - 12:33 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 09:35 AM (EST)]>All I gotta say about this, is people need to stop hating on
>the boy cuz he is white and wants to do r/b or soul music.
>Its about to be 2003 and color still plays a big part in
>mostly everything. How are we gonna advance if different
>people can't work on other genre's of music without being
>criticisized?

::in my J-Lo voice:: "You just don't get it, do you?"

>Also I think Justin blows User away in live performances.
>Usher is always sounding so tired and struggles to reach his
>higher notes, while most of the time Justin sings
>effortlessly, and I haven;t seen a bad Justin/Nsync
>performance in years.

:o Well... obviously you don't hear like I do. Usher isn't my fav person in the world, so you can take this as Gospel truth - he has one of the most effortlessly sounding, not to mention soulful delivery in the business. He does not go for songs that are superchallenging or have major modulates and he incorporates falsetto wherever neccessary. This makes his sound very mellifluous. I have never heard him struggle to sing for that reason. He doesn't need to.

Justin does not sing effortlessly. Come on, the icing is too thick. I haven't heard him with a head voice, but Usher has one. His falsetto and chest register sound like they belong to two different people. Usher doesn't have that problem. Usher's tone flows smoothly from baritone to tenor-bass into falsetto tone and you can always tell it is him.

Only an untrained ear could EVER think that JT outsings Usher in any way, shape or form possible. Your description of Usher's style is absolutely inaccurate and only matched by your glowing review of JT's so-called "effortless" delivery. You couldn't have told a bigger lie.
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 01:50 PM

>>>All I gotta say about this, is people need to stop hating on
>the boy cuz he is white and wants to do r/b or soul music.
>Its about to be 2003 and color still plays a big part in
>mostly everything. How are we gonna advance if different
>people can't work on other genre's of music without being
>criticisized?

I agree with that 100%! I'm really tired of arguing about this constantly here with the same people. In the end it all comes down to one thing: if you like him and/or the album then buy it, if not, don't buy the album and leave it alone. Heaven help he next white artist who wants to do "black music", or even the next black person who wants to do "white music." I know where I will be at 10:00 on Tuesday morning so all this bashing and dissing is a waste of time... These posts are starting to sound more and more alike now... what's the point? What's your motivation?
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 02:21 PM

ridiculous "lets come together"

but keep music seperate? what?

Excuse me, stevie, about Usher, the times i've seen him singing live, i said "get the hook" the boy does sound tired and un motivated. He be running around too much in the audience. LIve performances aren't music videos, he needs stay on the stage.

FURTHER MORE. I personally think Justin has a great voice. His new song he has out, the first single, is tight up till those HIGH HIGH HIGH NOTES it makes me wanna puke. he actin' like he's on helium... w/e i dont like it. and that makes me not like the song. his song "gone" cuz the other members really didn't sing that at all really. He does some really good singing in that song.
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 02:31 PM

>Excuse me, stevie, about Usher, the times i've seen him
>singing live, i said "get the hook" the boy does sound tired
>and un motivated. He be running around too much in the
>audience. LIve performances aren't music videos, he needs
>stay on the stage.

Your wasting your breath ConClue, well your finger power anyway. Any means and method to knock Justin or whoever else, folks will do it. I find it funny how folks dismiss negative reviews when they don't agree or it's about their "girl," but first negative review that comes along that knocks the person they don't like they wanna post it as gospel truth. How 'bout we acutually listen to the album and then make our OWN reviews... Thanks...
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 02:50 PM

Usher is one of the most overrated r&b singers ever and a horrible live performer. I saw him in concert and I wish I could erase this from my memory. He's just blah!

I D/Led Justified last week. It's one of the best albums I heard this year ("Cry me a river" is a masterpiece) - he'll get my money on November 12!

Btw, what kind of review was that? 80% of it wasn't even about the album.
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 03:14 PM

>I D/Led Justified last week. It's one of the best albums I
>heard this year ("Cry me a river" is a masterpiece) - he'll
>get my money on November 12!

November 5th Gee, November 5th! ;) But yeah Cry Me A River was nice.. I thought it was very reminiscent to Aaliyah's We Need A Resolution. It had the same vibe to it. You can tell Timb produced that track...

>Btw, what kind of review was that? 80% of it wasn't even
>about the album.

THANKS! But that wasn't important to some people tho... Hmmmm... Anything to back up their claim and knock folks down at any chance they get... But in other news...
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 03:31 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 12:32 PM (EST)]>November 5th Gee, November 5th! ;)

Oh! I thought I read November 12th on his site, but they were talking about a special double vinyl or something! November 5th is even better :D

>But yeah Cry Me A River
>was nice.. I thought it was very reminiscent to Aaliyah's
>We Need A Resolution. It had the same vibe to it. You can
>tell Timb produced that track...

Funny... I actually hate most of Timbaland's music, but EVERY song he did for Justin sounds GREAT. The chemistry between them is genuine and unique. "What You Got" (also produced by Timbaland) is my second favorite tune on the album. The only song I don't like is the one with Janet... kinda boring!
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 03:55 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 12:56 PM (EST)]>Oh! I thought I read November 12th on his site, but they
>were talking about a special double vinyl or something!
>November 5th is even better :D

Be sure to go pick it up on or around the 5th so u can cop that limited edition version of the CD. It has a special digi-(something) case instead of the normal jewel case and some extra stuff up in there...

>Funny... I actually hate most of Timbaland's music, but
>EVERY song he did for Justin sounds GREAT. The chemistry
>between them is genuine and unique. "What You Got" (also
>produced by Timbaland) is my second favorite tune on the
>album. The only song I don't like is the one with Janet...
>kinda boring!

I'm in the same boat I am with Whitney, I didn't download it. I want to be surprised. I only dled Cry Me A River b/c it's the next single. I heard a couple samples and from what I heard the song with Janet sounded decent to me... Right For Me sample had to grow on me. I heard a longer sample somewhere else and I could get into it a little more... Just can't wait until Tuesday... :7 :7

P.S. Can you easily distinguish the Timb tracks from the Neptune's tracks?
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 04:10 PM

*crusin in your car* im lovin' me some of this...

im not thug lovin, im WHITNEY LUVIN" LMAO!!!!!!!!!

yeah, mmmyeah mhhmyeahhh ohhhh... warm and beautiful!

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Posted 02 November 2002 - 05:17 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 02:20 PM (EST)]>>Excuse me, stevie, about Usher, the times i've seen him
>>singing live, i said "get the hook" the boy does sound tired
>>and un motivated. He be running around too much in the
>>audience. LIve performances aren't music videos, he needs
>>stay on the stage.

I will agree with the uptempo performances he has done offlate, where he lip synch's half the performance and then runs around. But that is him trying to be more of a dancer like TLC or MJ. Aside from all that bull, he can sing. His sound is nice and full and smooth from his low notes to his highs. Justin is whiny and almost choky in chest, and sounds like Minnie Mouse in falsetto. Usher doesn't have those hangups about his voice. When he was trading licks with Luther on the MJ tribute, he sounded awesome. Justin doesnt' have a full voice like that. Why are you patronizing?

>Your wasting your breath ConClue, well your finger power
>anyway. Any means and method to knock Justin or whoever
>else, folks will do it. I find it funny how folks dismiss
>negative reviews when they don't agree or it's about their
>"girl," but first negative review that comes along that
>knocks the person they don't like they wanna post it as
>gospel truth. How 'bout we acutually listen to the album
>and then make our OWN reviews... Thanks...

Well by the same token, if you want to dismiss this "negative" review for any value the writers words may hold, that is also your prerogative. If we're not arguing right and wrong points, but simply preference or bias, this is the perfect BBS to discuss it on - because every other poster is a hypocrite. Did I say that? I think I did. Don't make my stance on that music raping issue something IT ISN'T cuz that would only roll over into this bigger issue I'm hinting at. The real truth is that you can't say anything objective about SOME PEOPLES favorite artist without getting jumped on in here. There are plenty of fans of my "girl" here, but they all keep their mouths shut when she gets dissed in ways that could practically bring you to tears. So cut that bull. At least I'm only talking about his music. You want to finger me, but there are legit musicians and artist who agree with the point I'm trying to get across 100%. It's a matter of preference with you, NOT the issue of the plight of Black musicians. It's ALL ABOUT that to me. And once you focus on that for a while, you might get to see the point I'm tryin to make. Nothing to do with whether I like Justin T or not. You like him to much to see the point and you admitted that before, so perhaps it is a dead discussion. Feel free to say not a single thing more in my thread -- THANK YOU!! :7
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 05:23 PM

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 02-11-02 AT 02:25 PM (EST)]>Usher is one of the most overrated r&b singers ever and a
>horrible live performer. I saw him in concert and I wish I
>could erase this from my memory. He's just blah!
>
>I D/Led Justified last week. It's one of the best albums I
>heard this year ("Cry me a river" is a masterpiece) - he'll
>get my money on November 12!
>
>Btw, what kind of review was that? 80% of it wasn't even
>about the album.

Wow, urban music fans -- so now JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE can sing BETTER than USHER?? Oh my Lord. Eboni, this time I WILL call you. Jump on the Concorde and get in this thread QUICK. Mass produce some copies of his Tonight Show(aka amateur night impersonation of MJ) performance to use as Exhibit A. This is getting SERIOUS! :o haha
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Posted 02 November 2002 - 08:16 PM

>Your wasting your breath ConClue, well your finger power
>anyway. Any means and method to knock Justin or whoever
>else, folks will do it. I find it funny how folks dismiss
>negative reviews when they don't agree or it's about their
>"girl," but first negative review that comes along that
>knocks the person they don't like they wanna post it as
>gospel truth. How 'bout we acutually listen to the album
>and then make our OWN reviews... Thanks...

Terrence YOU need to stop wasting your breath when it comes to us not liking Justin. We're entitled to our opinions and don't dare knock ours down when people like Stevie post posts that are like 10 page essays combined together.

That review was 100% DEAD ON CORRECT! They didn't just say "white boy does black music so we automatically don't like it". If you think that was what it said, read again.

Justin NEVER showed interesting in R&B soul music. In Star Search, even the host (Ed McMahon right?) critcized him saying his COUNTRY MUSIC performance was corny and uninspired. NSYNC brainwashed more teenaged girls and others with their teen-pop, and now that urbanized rhythm-and-blues is making it big, Justin is going on that horse now.

That review was SO correct. He is just using a new fad to make it big. Do you think Britney was seriously motivated by R&B soul music as a kid? NO! But she did it with her last album. Justin's just doing the same thing, but is more risky.

And I always thought Usher flunked as an artist too. That last line of the review saying "part of Justified works, but not because of the artist" is what I always thought about Usher. He's just smart like Justin in picking artists.

If Justin wants to know how to make a credible solo album people will always remember mimic the right person: George Michael. He did his solo album ALL BY HIMSELF to defy the odds. Not pick half-a-dozen hot R&B producers who would prove he can do the biz for him rather than on his own.

So Terrence you need to realize the majority of the BBS has just as "justified" (LORD! NO PUN INTENDED on that one!) as to why we don't like Justin as you do with liking him and need to stop acting like he has THAT many haters.




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Posted 02 November 2002 - 08:26 PM

I know Lisa hates this, but I'll stop with it here. This review kinda repeats the same as NME, but is "calmer"....


Justin Timberlake's certainly not the first R&B/pop icon to issue a "change the game" proclamation prior to the release of a potential blockbuster solo record -- count Sisqo and R. Kelly among them -- but he's the one guy with the pop star bravado to actually pull it off. For most, he's already Top 40's post-teen pop salvation -- the guy who'll make pop exciting again, without irony or pleasures guilty.
It's just he's got to pull it off for an entire album, by himself.

Timberlake's advantage is he knows you know: On Justified, he's dressed with the sharpest beats (Timbaland and the Neptunes did most of it) and a healthy obsession/influence in style from another noted group-to-solo-success, Michael Jackson's 1979 classic Off the Wall. Thankfully it comes across as all the things Invincible, Jackson's supposed comeback, was not: a fun, contemporary pop record that's uber-cool without ever seeming forced.

Is it as good as you really want it to be? Not quite, but that doesn't mean there's anything to complain about. For one, in "Cry Me a River" Timberlake finally has what 'NSync lacked all these years: an instant classic on par with Backstreet's "I Want It That Way" or "As Long as You Love Me." The Timbaland-produced track has the sweetest melody of the year and its crunchiest synth beat; only the lush soul ballad "Take It from Here" and the post-disco strut of "Rock Your Body" (two surprising turns for the Neptunes) prove as exhilarating.

'NSync fans shouldn't worry too much about these production eccentricities, for the uptempo tracks ("Senorita," "Last Night") -- though clearly in the R&B vein -- have an immediate energy similar to 'N Sync's frothy Europop, plus, you'll have fun trying to decipher if the ballads ("Nothin' Else," "Never Again") are about a certain not-so-virginal ex-girlfriend.

Hot beats, cool hooks, Britney Spears innuendo -- what more do you want?

Brad Cawn
CDNOW Contributing Writer


THE END



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