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#151 Carmen

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:36 PM

Seeing the coroner's report was a huge step-back for me in the healing process. I started to finally accept her death, but it just brought me back to a worse psychical state. I still feel sadness, anger, but above all, I miss her very much, each and every day. It was shocking to learn that they found cocaine in her system....So many questions still in me. Why she started to use again? Was she really happy with her life? Did her entourage and family have no idea what was going on? Poor Whitney.....they really should have taken better care of her and protect her.
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#152 CoNcLusIveTrUthZ

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

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#153 salute88

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:10 PM

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I stopped sharing my opinions publicly on the board to avoid problems. If one states a critical opinion about bbb or ray j it's ok--but everybody else in her life is off limits. It's not an issue for me. That's what private messages are for. And having an opinion or making an observation is NOT gossip.
Thats how I felt, except I never started. I don't mind doing that but geesh will it ever end? I have a dream...

View PostPetra, on 24 March 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

i don't think anyone is being intentionally disrespectful, it's just that we're all trying to deal with this and we're all in different stages of grief..i do believe this is a safe place where we all come to vent because we can't do it anywhere else..if some borders are being crossed, it's just another proof of how much we all love her and need her..it's easier to have someone to blame, that way we can concentrate all that anger and frustration on them..i think we're just getting through this the best way we know..

i know that i love her more than ever..she wanted to make it, she was fighting hard..you don't kick a habit like that by going to rehab, she herself said it: "It's day by day"..so yes, some days are good, some days are bad..the most important thing is that she defeated it once and she was able to do it again..people need to remember that she didn't OD, this was all just a series of freak coincidences, and drugs were just one of them..

remember those interviews about sparkle and those little snippets? she was happy, she was doing what she wanted to do and she was looking forward to it..she wasn't lost, she didn't lose hope, she just kept on fighting..maybe she stumbled, but so what? it's not the first time this happened to an addict, it's a battle these people fight every day of their lives..some you win, some you lose - the important thing is not to lose hope and keep fighting - and that's exactly what she did..

so i salute her..for everything she did in her life, for all her achievements, for that beautiful loving heart of hers, that heart of a fighter that fought hard till the very end..she was a beautiful human being, and her flaws made me love her even more..

this will all go away, it takes time, but it will..and then there will remain her amazing legacy, artistry, memory of a one of a kind performer, entertainer, human being..her immense talent can never be overshadowed by anything..and that's why she'll live forever..
Perfect statement...you worded my thought more clearly than I could ever

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View Postsalute88, on 24 March 2012 - 12:34 AM, said:

I havent read all the pages in this thread so I am not sure all of what was said but I do want to say that I think it is completely unfair for people to make comments telling other fans how they SHOULD react, respond, feel, speak, etc in response to the information surrounding Whitney's death. We all LOVE her and anyone who would take the time to still post here and probably still come to this site everyday after her untimely death obviously cares deeply about her. Everyone is grieving in their own way and more than that everyone is different so we are all handling the news differently. Some of us don't care about cause of death, others are devastated by the news...but NO ONE has a right to say what I person needs to do or how they should feel and certainly not try to regulate how much attention we should spend on a topic (especially something this relevant). I have loved Whitney for since I can remember and have defended her avidly...I come here to discuss her life and legacy with others like myself. The first place I came when she passed was here! This SHOULD be a safe place to talk realistically yet respectfully. If anyone doesn't like the topic or feels this is irrelevant why are they reading the post and commenting? I don't know...maybe I am just upset...because I normally am not combative. I am not really coming for anyone in particular just sick of the childishness and the presumptuous attitudes.

Salute88, you hit it right on the money about some of the childishness that goes on...sometimes after reading some of the posts, I feel like I'm in high school all over again. I'm a 34 year-old man and reading some of the posts of people going back and forth makes me cringe. I don't always agree with some of the stuff some people have to say but I would NEVER post a comment telling them that what they think, believe or feel is wrong or incorrect. I respect everyone and what they have to say and wish all would do the same so everyone feels comfortable enough to post what they're feeling. It saddens me that some individuals don't feel at home or feel this is a safe place for them to openly express their feelings.
Thanks for understanding. I had planned to be crucified for my statement! Glad to alive lol

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:23 PM

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

And that's just a few of the questions.

But questions can be frightening, the universe of possible answers can be confusing, and the ultimate truth can be painful.

#155 John-John

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

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#156 Nippyislove

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:42 PM

Sometimes I feel really weird about all this - it sounds as if Whitney was all alone and surrounded by people who didn't have her best in her mind. :(

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:43 PM

...sorry typo - I meant in THEIR mind.

#158 Every1lovesNippy

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:49 PM

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

Exactly! The truth will out. It always does.

#159 CoNcLusIveTrUthZ

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

I just have so many unanswered questions. I been here with y'all clockin' Whitney for what like 12 years now? I never SEEN or HEARD of him with her up untill now. I knew he was at the Teen Summit but that was AFTER the fact. It makes no sense.

It is all well and possible that she simply choose that day to relapse right before Clive's party or possibly days earlier. It was a very active Whitney week.

I don't like how Pat had Whitney doing so many things that day either, and I think I said that in that thread for the Oprah interview.

There's just alot of stuff that leaves me more confused. The contridictions in the media are ridiculous. Everyones talking about Alcohol and theres none found in her system? So all that YES I AM BAWBAWA WATERS AND I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT! SHE WAS DRINKING AND TAKING XANYX RIGHT AFTER I WATCHED HER TAKE A LEAK" YOU WERE BLEEP! WRONG STILL BLEEP!. You twit. You BLEEP!. BLEEP! moron. You superficial fake BLEEP! hack journalist wanna be BLEEP!.

OMG.

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#160 buddha

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:46 PM

I'm personally not ruling out the conspiracy theories completely, weird and awful things happen in the world. But I am choosing to give far more weight to the far more likely events at this moment, which are that Whitney died as a result of relapse and failing health. It does not make me gullible if I'm not making major leaps in logic and giving in to the lure of conspiracy theories. None of us are investigators of the case and are making connections with very little facts.
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#161 NippyFanNy779

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

I just have so many unanswered questions. I been here with y'all clockin' Whitney for what like 12 years now? I never SEEN or HEARD of him with her up untill now. I knew he was at the Teen Summit but that was AFTER the fact. It makes no sense.

It is all well and possible that she simply choose that day to relapse right before Clive's party or possibly days earlier. It was a very active Whitney week.

I don't like how Pat had Whitney doing so many things that day either, and I think I said that in that thread for the Oprah interview.

There's just alot of stuff that leaves me more confused. The contridictions in the media are ridiculous. Everyones talking about Alcohol and theres none found in her system? So all that YES I AM BAWBAWA WATERS AND I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT! SHE WAS DRINKING AND TAKING XANYX RIGHT AFTER I WATCHED HER TAKE A LEAK" YOU WERE BLEEP! WRONG STILL BLEEP!. You twit. You BLEEP!. BLEEP! moron. You superficial fake BLEEP! hack journalist wanna be BLEEP!.

OMG.

It's so nice to see that not all the fans are just lacing up their black Nike's and drinking their cup of kool-aid. If something doesn't sound right its usually because it's not. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, ...I know I have more than a fair few.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:07 PM

View PostNippyFanNy779, on 24 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

I just have so many unanswered questions. I been here with y'all clockin' Whitney for what like 12 years now? I never SEEN or HEARD of him with her up untill now. I knew he was at the Teen Summit but that was AFTER the fact. It makes no sense.

It is all well and possible that she simply choose that day to relapse right before Clive's party or possibly days earlier. It was a very active Whitney week.

I don't like how Pat had Whitney doing so many things that day either, and I think I said that in that thread for the Oprah interview.

There's just alot of stuff that leaves me more confused. The contridictions in the media are ridiculous. Everyones talking about Alcohol and theres none found in her system? So all that YES I AM BAWBAWA WATERS AND I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT! SHE WAS DRINKING AND TAKING XANYX RIGHT AFTER I WATCHED HER TAKE A LEAK" YOU WERE BLEEP! WRONG STILL BLEEP!. You twit. You BLEEP!. BLEEP! moron. You superficial fake BLEEP! hack journalist wanna be BLEEP!.

OMG.

It's so nice to see that not all the fans are just lacing up their black Nike's and drinking their cup of kool-aid. If something doesn't sound right its usually because it's not. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, ...I know I have more than a fair few.
And here I was, thinking that I was the only one having these thoughts. But how do we get to the bottom of this? The last I heard, the police are closing the case after the full coroner's report is released.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:15 PM

View PostPetra, on 24 March 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

View PostNippyFanNy779, on 24 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

I just have so many unanswered questions. I been here with y'all clockin' Whitney for what like 12 years now? I never SEEN or HEARD of him with her up untill now. I knew he was at the Teen Summit but that was AFTER the fact. It makes no sense.

It is all well and possible that she simply choose that day to relapse right before Clive's party or possibly days earlier. It was a very active Whitney week.

I don't like how Pat had Whitney doing so many things that day either, and I think I said that in that thread for the Oprah interview.

There's just alot of stuff that leaves me more confused. The contridictions in the media are ridiculous. Everyones talking about Alcohol and theres none found in her system? So all that YES I AM BAWBAWA WATERS AND I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT! SHE WAS DRINKING AND TAKING XANYX RIGHT AFTER I WATCHED HER TAKE A LEAK" YOU WERE BLEEP! WRONG STILL BLEEP!. You twit. You BLEEP!. BLEEP! moron. You superficial fake BLEEP! hack journalist wanna be BLEEP!.

OMG.

It's so nice to see that not all the fans are just lacing up their black Nike's and drinking their cup of kool-aid. If something doesn't sound right its usually because it's not. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, ...I know I have more than a fair few.
And here I was, thinking that I was the only one having these thoughts. But how do we get to the bottom of this? The last I heard, the police are closing the case after the full coroner's report is released.

You are definitely not alone, and sadly we may never get all our questions answered ...but what we don't have to do is automatically take what we are told as gospel and just think the worst of Whitney.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:25 PM

As Judge Judy would say - if it doesn't make sense, it's usually not true! I agree with you guys that the circumstances surrounding Whitney's death are questionable. Things are not right here. smh

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:26 PM

View PostNippyFanNy779, on 24 March 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

View PostPetra, on 24 March 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

View PostNippyFanNy779, on 24 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

View PostJohn-John, on 24 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

View PostCoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 24 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

There's a man in another country claiming he's filing an avdaviant with the LA/BH police departments about Rafels saying that he knows he was supplying Whitney with cocaine up untill her death.

Why are there reports that he was on the floor near the room when she died crying "I Found Whitney"

What pissed Whitney the BLEEP! off that night?

Why did BLEEP! PAT let this BLEEP! loser around Whitney knowing he did BLEEP! up BLEEP! to celebrities? Willingly? (Now Pat has a side eye from me)

Why was there no evidence of cocaine use?

Why was Rafels allowed to get all them pictures? Pictures of the tub, the food etc.

Why is it that Whitney dies shortly after a movie and soundtrack she was doing for a company who just itself aqquried her as an arist through the dissolution of Arista?

Sony is tactfully not shipping 'Whitney' albums since it's the 25th anniversary.

Why does Whitney Houston NOT look like a chronic cocaine in the days leading to her death (actually she looks like years of drug use slowly came off of her face)

Why is the investigation being closed so quickly and foul play being ruled out?

Why was Rafels allowed to fly back with her body to NJ?

Why was he around Micheal right before his death?

Why is he an illegal immigrant that's been deported multiple times?

Why does NOTHING add up. NOTHING.

I'm not gonna say it on this forum out of respect for Lisa, but I'm no longer thinking this was tragic like they thought anymore. First I thought tragic tragic accident like she had a heart attack from heart diesease from years of chronic drug abuse/smoking. Then that news came out and I don't believe it. I don't believe she was using, and if she was something happened THAT WEEK to cause it to happen. She looked too good. She sounded too good. She was exercising. Why would she be swimming two hours a day for exercise to "get her lungs back" to just smoke her blunts with coke? NONE OF THIS ADDS BLEEP! UP.

My theory is now the one that would never cross my mind. Why? If it is indeed what I think, it's the perfect BLEEP! cover up. And I do NOT think it involves Whitney's inner family circle.If anything, they were unknowingly pawns in an evil game.

I'm not buying a BLEEP! thing untill I find out what happened to her. I wanna know most of all in that report (and i'm gonna read it myself) is how that cocaine was ingested. Did she sniff, smoke or ingest it. I'm thinking the latter. Also thinking this was no tragic accident.

I'm glad others are beginning to see this too. I agree & want to say much more. And for the record grief has nothing to do with asking these very good questions. Trust me. More will come out.

I just have so many unanswered questions. I been here with y'all clockin' Whitney for what like 12 years now? I never SEEN or HEARD of him with her up untill now. I knew he was at the Teen Summit but that was AFTER the fact. It makes no sense.

It is all well and possible that she simply choose that day to relapse right before Clive's party or possibly days earlier. It was a very active Whitney week.

I don't like how Pat had Whitney doing so many things that day either, and I think I said that in that thread for the Oprah interview.

There's just alot of stuff that leaves me more confused. The contridictions in the media are ridiculous. Everyones talking about Alcohol and theres none found in her system? So all that YES I AM BAWBAWA WATERS AND I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT! SHE WAS DRINKING AND TAKING XANYX RIGHT AFTER I WATCHED HER TAKE A LEAK" YOU WERE BLEEP! WRONG STILL BLEEP!. You twit. You BLEEP!. BLEEP! moron. You superficial fake BLEEP! hack journalist wanna be BLEEP!.

OMG.

It's so nice to see that not all the fans are just lacing up their black Nike's and drinking their cup of kool-aid. If something doesn't sound right its usually because it's not. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, ...I know I have more than a fair few.
And here I was, thinking that I was the only one having these thoughts. But how do we get to the bottom of this? The last I heard, the police are closing the case after the full coroner's report is released.

You are definitely not alone, and sadly we may never get all our questions answered ...but what we don't have to do is automatically take what we are told as gospel and just think the worst of Whitney.

Here's the thing tho; neither story add's up in the end. There are way more questions than I have. It just sounds very fishy to me. What happened at that party last night? What did that Nancy Francis say to Whitney? What or who caused Whitney to relapse. And it's easy for people to let their minds play tricks on them that the media was right all along and the woman fighting off the effects of serious drug use was all along struggling because she was still using.

I am not saying that I don't believe she would have relapsed. I don't want to think that could happen, however logic prevails and it is indeed a possibility.

It's the rest of all the stuff that doesn't seem to add up. Roger Friedmen was the first one to open my eyes to how weird everything really was. Who is this dude and why are there now someoen claiming he knows he was supplying Whitney with coke.

It was that news that made me just sit there and ask what turned out to be a longgg post of questions. These are all questions I have as a Whitney fan who has watched this unfold just like anything else in her life. There are so many weird things that just make your head go to crazy places! Christ the thought!

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