This wole thread is meaningless... yall are worse than the dam media! What difference does any of this really make??? Im surprised this discussion has gone as far as it has.... Right now we (and I say we only because I am part of this family) are being just as petty as all those outlets we are ridiculing. Let the BLEEP! be what it is... Ugh!!!! Sometimes yall really get on my nerves!
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NeyBethSton, on 23 March 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:
This wole thread is meaningless... yall are worse than the dam media! What difference does any of this really make??? Im surprised this discussion has gone as far as it has.... Right now we (and I say we only because I am part of this family) are being just as petty as all those outlets we are ridiculing. Let the BLEEP! be what it is... Ugh!!!! Sometimes yall really get on my nerves!
Amen. Close this thread.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:35 PM
First of all, I do not mean to start an argument but I am NOT wrong. Why? Because I am not jumping to conclusions that you can accuse me of being wrong of anything. I am just pointing out Whitney had an addiction and using the cocaine was her choice. I have not made up any scenarios, any suspects, or done anything but point out one fact: Whitney sought cocaine, and she used it. As fans we do not know any precise moments of that day to prove anything else.
I do not think you are nuts....I just think everyone is grieving. When you go through a death a psychiatrist considered that there are 5 stages of grieving....some say they take place separately but I believe (and have seen how) they can interchange:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
You can make presumptions about Pat since she was so close to Whitney and looks like she could have been the one who would've someone how been able to change the tragic circumstances. You can also blame her security. But do you not think Whitney knew how to manipulate any of these people because of her addiction? Where from how we know what Whitney's schedule was that day can we prove that Pat failed with her job? Do you think they never skipped getting calls or left texts unanswered for a couple of hours?
Also, have you seen what addiction does to people? I *HATED* parts of People magazine's initial tribute to her but it painted a very true image a lot of celebrities put on their professional inner circle: no drugs? Then do you want to keep your job? I don't want to imagine Whitney put people in that position but that's what happens when you have the cravings for these drugs. I hope Pat or her bodyguard weren't like this but as far as anyone who maybe worked at a hotel or some other random location that encounters a celebrity I'm sure they would be afraid if put under a similar scenario.
You are correct that drug dealer who gave her cocaine deserves to go to jail. But he is not responsible for the death of Whitney, if it weren't him it would have been any of a hundred dealers. I think it's part of the denial to put an emphasis on the dealer but I realize he or she had no power over Whitney's struggle, only Whitney did. The Lord will have his way with that dealer and considering his way of making cash he will encounter the LAPD on his own sooner or later.
I must say that I thought seeing the clip of Piers' interview with Chaka was an eye-opener. Instead of saying Pat and her team failed on the mere remaining hours of her life I do have to say that I think it is interesting they got there so early in advance considering her troubles. But as I've said, Whitney may have wanted it that way, and we don't know what their discussions as an inner circle were like.
The only thing I have left to note that I thought of with Whitney's death was how interesting it is that Michael, Amy, and Whitney all died and one of our last memories of all of them is that they would have been better off not going on tour. Between Michael's stress with his show, Amy's videos of her drunkenly unprepared and off stage, and the fact Pat even said Whitney's tour was for the fans I only wish this can be a future warning sign for troubled stars in the future and their inner circles to exercise extreme caution before putting together a comeback tour for a talent battling their demons.
Sean
I do not think you are nuts....I just think everyone is grieving. When you go through a death a psychiatrist considered that there are 5 stages of grieving....some say they take place separately but I believe (and have seen how) they can interchange:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
You can make presumptions about Pat since she was so close to Whitney and looks like she could have been the one who would've someone how been able to change the tragic circumstances. You can also blame her security. But do you not think Whitney knew how to manipulate any of these people because of her addiction? Where from how we know what Whitney's schedule was that day can we prove that Pat failed with her job? Do you think they never skipped getting calls or left texts unanswered for a couple of hours?
Also, have you seen what addiction does to people? I *HATED* parts of People magazine's initial tribute to her but it painted a very true image a lot of celebrities put on their professional inner circle: no drugs? Then do you want to keep your job? I don't want to imagine Whitney put people in that position but that's what happens when you have the cravings for these drugs. I hope Pat or her bodyguard weren't like this but as far as anyone who maybe worked at a hotel or some other random location that encounters a celebrity I'm sure they would be afraid if put under a similar scenario.
You are correct that drug dealer who gave her cocaine deserves to go to jail. But he is not responsible for the death of Whitney, if it weren't him it would have been any of a hundred dealers. I think it's part of the denial to put an emphasis on the dealer but I realize he or she had no power over Whitney's struggle, only Whitney did. The Lord will have his way with that dealer and considering his way of making cash he will encounter the LAPD on his own sooner or later.
I must say that I thought seeing the clip of Piers' interview with Chaka was an eye-opener. Instead of saying Pat and her team failed on the mere remaining hours of her life I do have to say that I think it is interesting they got there so early in advance considering her troubles. But as I've said, Whitney may have wanted it that way, and we don't know what their discussions as an inner circle were like.
The only thing I have left to note that I thought of with Whitney's death was how interesting it is that Michael, Amy, and Whitney all died and one of our last memories of all of them is that they would have been better off not going on tour. Between Michael's stress with his show, Amy's videos of her drunkenly unprepared and off stage, and the fact Pat even said Whitney's tour was for the fans I only wish this can be a future warning sign for troubled stars in the future and their inner circles to exercise extreme caution before putting together a comeback tour for a talent battling their demons.
Sean
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artchannel, on 23 March 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:
NeyBethSton, on 23 March 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:
This wole thread is meaningless... yall are worse than the dam media! What difference does any of this really make??? Im surprised this discussion has gone as far as it has.... Right now we (and I say we only because I am part of this family) are being just as petty as all those outlets we are ridiculing. Let the BLEEP! be what it is... Ugh!!!! Sometimes yall really get on my nerves!
Amen. Close this thread.
That's completely unrealistic too. You can't expect people to stop talking about the cause of death at this point. What you CAN reasonably expect, and ask for, is that people attempt to discuss this in a rational manner, and leave all the conspiracy and media bull out of this thread. Pointing fingers at Whitney's family and each other doesn't do a thing except get on people's nerves.
I said it before, and I'll say it again -- the toxicology report changes nothing. And if we want people's attitudes to change toward addiction as a disease, then we need to start with ourselves. We're wringing our hands even more now that the drug was in her system. In a twisted way, we're being as judgmental about this disease as the freaks who are outside this board. We're worried about what the freaks are going to say. Guess what -- they're going to say the same thing no matter what! And would it really have been better to have her die of something else? Cancer perhaps? Would that be an improvement? Trust me, it's not.
There was never going to be a good outcome with this report -- the result, no matter what, is that she's gone. We need to accept that, and move toward a place that focuses on who Whitney really was, and everything that she accomplished, so that's what she will be remembered for. Everything else is just blather.
If tomorrow is judgment day ...
And the Lord asks me what I did with my life,
I will say I spent it with you.
And the Lord asks me what I did with my life,
I will say I spent it with you.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:38 PM
Lisa,
I do feel bad having answered back with so much detail in that post just now so I will say that I'm pretty much done mentioning the matters of her death. I think I've said anything I have left to say about it.
RIP Whitney.....I will always salute you!
Sean
I do feel bad having answered back with so much detail in that post just now so I will say that I'm pretty much done mentioning the matters of her death. I think I've said anything I have left to say about it.
RIP Whitney.....I will always salute you!
Sean
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM
Whitney was an addict, addicts relapse all of the time, why are people being so mean and judgemental towards Whitney once they found out she had cocaine in her system? She told Oprah herself that she can only take it one day at a time, it's like that for every addict. At least she was honest about it. She never claimed she was above relapsing.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:52 PM
Bravo MLIYL! Very well said!
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:44 PM
Perhaps this debate should wait until then, not that the exact amounts, when she did it, or "which came first: heart attack or drowning?" will make it any better.
http://wonderwall.ms...s-1673118.story
Whitney Houston full autopsy report to offer more details
The Associated Press, Friday, March 23, 2012, 10:57am (PDT)
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Whitney Houston's full autopsy report may offer more clues about whether the singer suffered a heart attack before her drowning death, officials said Friday.
The full report, which is expected to be released in a few weeks, may include test results and physical descriptions of the singer's heart that will show whether she suffered a heart attack, Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said. The report is being compiled and Winter said he did not have access to its findings, which might show whether there were any obvious signs such as discoloration of her heart that would suggest Houston had a heart attack before slipping underwater in a bathtub at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Feb. 11.
"We are saddened to learn of the toxicology results, although we are glad to now have closure," Patricia Houston, the singer's sister-in-law and manager, wrote in a statement to The Associated Press on Thursday.
http://wonderwall.ms...s-1673118.story
Whitney Houston full autopsy report to offer more details
The Associated Press, Friday, March 23, 2012, 10:57am (PDT)
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Whitney Houston's full autopsy report may offer more clues about whether the singer suffered a heart attack before her drowning death, officials said Friday.
The full report, which is expected to be released in a few weeks, may include test results and physical descriptions of the singer's heart that will show whether she suffered a heart attack, Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said. The report is being compiled and Winter said he did not have access to its findings, which might show whether there were any obvious signs such as discoloration of her heart that would suggest Houston had a heart attack before slipping underwater in a bathtub at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Feb. 11.
Houston's death has been ruled an accidental drowning, with heart disease and cocaine use listed as contributing factors.
The report also will include detailed toxicology results that will show how much cocaine and its byproducts were in Houston's system when she died. Coroner's officials said Thursday that the results showed the singer used cocaine shortly before her death, and there were indications of chronic use.
Beverly Hills police detectives will use the full coroner's report to complete their investigative file, which is not expected to be publicly released. The department has said there were no signs of foul play in connection with Houston's death.
Houston's death on the eve of the Grammy Awards stunned the music industry and fans worldwide. The singer had battled addiction for years, but friends and family have said she appeared committed to making a comeback in the months before her death.
"We are saddened to learn of the toxicology results, although we are glad to now have closure," Patricia Houston, the singer's sister-in-law and manager, wrote in a statement to The Associated Press on Thursday.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:55 PM
Awwwwww meehhhhn! 
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I was hoping the results would be something more accidental, albeit it still being tragic. However, the phrase 'she is in a better place' makes sense now because of this. Prior to not knowing the cause, my sentiments were 'which better place?', that is assuming she was in a perfect place here. I will accept and concur with the phrase that she rest in perfect peace! RIP Miss Whitney.
.................I was hoping the results would be something more accidental, albeit it still being tragic. However, the phrase 'she is in a better place' makes sense now because of this. Prior to not knowing the cause, my sentiments were 'which better place?', that is assuming she was in a perfect place here. I will accept and concur with the phrase that she rest in perfect peace! RIP Miss Whitney.
Why fall in love when you can fall into chocolate.......
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:06 PM
who am I to be dissapointed in Whitney when I know she struggled with addiction and tried to fight her demons every single day!
Not only that, but at the same time she had to be in control and be a mother, a friend, a daughter, a sister, a girlfriend, a singer, a business partner, a producer, an actress, a diva.
I will never forget the story about Kim rubbing Whitney's feet when nobody else would. It just breaks my heart. And to think she could have been doing drugs because she felt lonely, saddens me. But I guess we will never know. All I know is she´s forever gone. And nothing will bring her back. But the love I have for her will keep her in my life.
Please let us pray that Bobbi Kris would never have to fight the same demons as Whitney did. EVER!
Not only that, but at the same time she had to be in control and be a mother, a friend, a daughter, a sister, a girlfriend, a singer, a business partner, a producer, an actress, a diva.
I will never forget the story about Kim rubbing Whitney's feet when nobody else would. It just breaks my heart. And to think she could have been doing drugs because she felt lonely, saddens me. But I guess we will never know. All I know is she´s forever gone. And nothing will bring her back. But the love I have for her will keep her in my life.
Please let us pray that Bobbi Kris would never have to fight the same demons as Whitney did. EVER!
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:39 PM
Guys, we are all Whitney fans, the first thing people on this site needs to stop doing is picking apart other peoples opinions and attacking them for stating them. We all LOVE Whitney and always will, but we are all entitled to voice our frustrations and opinions on this open forum. This should be the place where we are all free to get whatever we need off of our chests without ridicule. We know that at the end of the day, we lost a treasure... some of us say "who cares, this report means nothing....", others say "i care because i loved this woman so much i need closure as well...", the bottom line is that we all have our opinions and feelings on this matter... this is NOT CW, i've always felt that here on WF we can express ourselves and be respected for that.
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MLIYL, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:
Whitney was an addict, addicts relapse all of the time, why are people being so mean and judgemental towards Whitney once they found out she had cocaine in her system? She told Oprah herself that she can only take it one day at a time, it's like that for every addict. At least she was honest about it. She never claimed she was above relapsing.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
Agree with you MLIYL. But I will clarify a little about heart disease. As you said, this is the first cause of death on women, and evenmore in black women. But the drugs have a terrible effect in heart and circulatory system. The chronic use of cocaine literally destroy the arteries's walls. Maybe the drugs consumed the day/s before her death weren`t the immediate cause of death, but I am almost sure that so many years of consume had an effect. Don`t be naive...
I m not criticizing Whitney, I feel sorry for her, and I think the people here that express their feeling like me are not trying to crucify nor judging her, just want to express what they feel. She was human, a very nice human being, that bring me so much happy in my life, and unfortunately, couldn't find a way out.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:05 PM
ARG2009, on 23 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:
MLIYL, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:
Whitney was an addict, addicts relapse all of the time, why are people being so mean and judgemental towards Whitney once they found out she had cocaine in her system? She told Oprah herself that she can only take it one day at a time, it's like that for every addict. At least she was honest about it. She never claimed she was above relapsing.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
Agree with you MLIYL. But I will clarify a little about heart disease. As you said, this is the first cause of death on women, and evenmore in black women. But the drugs have a terrible effect in heart and circulatory system. The chronic use of cocaine literally destroy the arteries's walls. Maybe the drugs consumed the day/s before her death weren`t the immediate cause of death, but I am almost sure that so many years of consume had an effect. Don`t be naive...
I m not criticizing Whitney, I feel sorry for her, and I think the people here that express their feeling like me are not trying to crucify nor judging her, just want to express what they feel. She was human, a very nice human being, that bring me so much happy in my life, and unfortunately, couldn't find a way out.
I'm not one of the naive fans, trust me. I said she has the heart disease due to her life choices, that's obvious. All those years that she abused her body was going to affect her, on top of that the smoking cigarettes.... I'm well aware of that. This could've still happened to her even if she never touched cocaine again, it depends how bad her heart was.
My main issue is the people judging her for it... and I already spoke about that above.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:20 PM
MLIYL, on 23 March 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:
ARG2009, on 23 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:
MLIYL, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:
Whitney was an addict, addicts relapse all of the time, why are people being so mean and judgemental towards Whitney once they found out she had cocaine in her system? She told Oprah herself that she can only take it one day at a time, it's like that for every addict. At least she was honest about it. She never claimed she was above relapsing.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
What people don't seem to understand is that she DIDN'T overdose, she had a heart condition, she had heart disease. This could've happened to her whether she did cocaine that day or not. It could've happened to her while walking from her car to the doctor's office. Yes she had the heart disease because of her life choices, but guess what? People get heart disease from multiple things, not JUST drugs. Heart disease is the #1 killer in women. All those millions of people getting fast food everyday and not exercising, you can get heart disease. All those people drinking alcohol everyday and not taking care of their bodies, you can get heart disease (among other things). All those people smoking cigarettes everyday, you can get heart disease. Just because it's legal means one is better than the other? ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. It ALL can kill people, and it does so everyday.
Do not judge Whitney. I know we're all upset, sad, devastated, angry, and we all keep thinking this didn't need to happen, but it did, and don't judge her for it. Whitney had pain in her life that none of us will ever understand, she was a troubled soul, and was trying to numb her pain. Don't people get that? QUIT JUDGING HER FOR IT.
What gets me is all of those people judging her and running their mouth about her are drug addicts themselves, or their family members are, or they have their own addictions, and they ALL have their own issues. Like who are you to talk sh*t??? When you're sitting there popping your pain pills everyday, getting drunk, eating fast food everyday, smoking weed, doing dope, WHO ARE YOU to cast judgement on Whitney Houston?! You are NO better than her. Believe that.
Agree with you MLIYL. But I will clarify a little about heart disease. As you said, this is the first cause of death on women, and evenmore in black women. But the drugs have a terrible effect in heart and circulatory system. The chronic use of cocaine literally destroy the arteries's walls. Maybe the drugs consumed the day/s before her death weren`t the immediate cause of death, but I am almost sure that so many years of consume had an effect. Don`t be naive...
I m not criticizing Whitney, I feel sorry for her, and I think the people here that express their feeling like me are not trying to crucify nor judging her, just want to express what they feel. She was human, a very nice human being, that bring me so much happy in my life, and unfortunately, couldn't find a way out.
I'm not one of the naive fans, trust me. I said she has the heart disease due to her life choices, that's obvious. All those years that she abused her body was going to affect her, on top of that the smoking cigarettes.... I'm well aware of that. This could've still happened to her even if she never touched cocaine again, it depends how bad her heart was.
My main issue is the people judging her for it... and I already spoke about that above.
I don't think many of the people on here are judging her; most, if not all, are merely expressing the way they're feeling after hearing the news. I have to admit, when I first opened this thread yesterday and read the autopsy report, I immediately had mixed feelings - I felt anger, sadness, disappointment, frustration, pain, etc, but by no means am I judging her or her life choices. I too, like many others on this site, thought she had overcome her demons but unfortunately it seems she hadn't and that is very disappointing because we really wanted her to be ok. : (. You have to understand that each one of us is at a different point in our grieving process and we deal with grief in our own way. Dablack11 stated it best above, we shouldn't be tearing apart eachother's opinions and feelings; we should be here for one another in our time of difficulty. Obviously nothing is going to bring our beautiful Whitney Houston back but its important to many of us who don't share our pain to have a forum where we ALL can feel comfortable to express ourselves without feeling like we're being judged or criticized for how we're feeling. We don't all have to agree with one another but we should respect eachother.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:59 PM
I'm glad I didn't read the previous pages....
Anyway, I just wanna say we need to remember we're all Whitney's fans. Nothing can change anything now so we should try our best to accept it. Whitney was not flawless, she was just a human being. One thing I can say is that she never lied in that Oprah interview. Never! When Oprah asked if she was still doing drugs at that point, she never said no. Addiction is hard to battle especially if you are in the entertainment industry and add to it the stress of the tour, the media...At least we know that during her life she tried to make a change - she voluntarily entered rehab, she tried to have a fresh start with the movie and music comeback, which she did. And she always made it clear that no matter what she did--she loves the Lord.
100 years later people will still be listening to her music and remember her as "The Voice", they will recall her death as a tragedy, but the fact that her music will live on forever will never change.
Was I upset to learn of the cause of death? Yes. But will that make me change my love and respect for this woman? Never!
Anyway, I just wanna say we need to remember we're all Whitney's fans. Nothing can change anything now so we should try our best to accept it. Whitney was not flawless, she was just a human being. One thing I can say is that she never lied in that Oprah interview. Never! When Oprah asked if she was still doing drugs at that point, she never said no. Addiction is hard to battle especially if you are in the entertainment industry and add to it the stress of the tour, the media...At least we know that during her life she tried to make a change - she voluntarily entered rehab, she tried to have a fresh start with the movie and music comeback, which she did. And she always made it clear that no matter what she did--she loves the Lord.
100 years later people will still be listening to her music and remember her as "The Voice", they will recall her death as a tragedy, but the fact that her music will live on forever will never change.
Was I upset to learn of the cause of death? Yes. But will that make me change my love and respect for this woman? Never!
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