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[Every1lovesNippy]

PontusFromSweden, on 15 March 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

Not a chance with zero personality, she bore me to death with her screaming.

Yea. JHud is a nice girl, but her singing is not much to write home about. Aside form her being loud. She has a big, loud, voice. I much perfer her acting, where she has a nice quality that makes you want to root for her.

[juzly]

Clivos bizness machine has been at it for decades before Whitney, and will continue and has been selling 'his' artist as the greatest this that other through out. My aunt is a huge gorgeous Phyllis hymann fan, and that story is notorious, one of many notorious stories. That's how that bizness goes, unfortunately, but it doesn't mean we have to accept it, ya know. Tho am so happy now, there's a shift, a movement, and artist are more independed.

But i have said many times, inspirational Cissy and John, and others, prepared Whitney, with there advice, realities and experience. Remember advice beautiful Whitney's gave during the early years, get good lawyers and read everything you sign, and then later, know what 'they' know. And i see how a lady, that's so full of heart like Whitney, wanted to mentor young artist, help people, cause you get caught in the dream, trust, create art for art's sake but these big labels do not see things that way, and the wolfs came out to play.

As for clivo not caring for Whitney, he would have to be heartless robot, cause people who have been close, or even just meet, that charismatic, lovable, one of a kind heart with all it's glorious goodness, couldn't help but care and give love and respect back.

Love you right back Whitney, forever, thank you.

[buddyactor]

CoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 27 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

You know what, I keep staying out of the Clive stuff but I find it odd that everyone is suddenly down Clive's back. This man has had Whitney's back through all the hell and all of it. Just because 1) Clive made a statement about not doing another album untill she could knock everyone out again is not a big deal. You wanna castrate someone for that, start with your family at home (on Whitney-Fan.com. We're all guility of wanting better vocally from Whitney) 2) Clive Davis' name is the only thing in control of that party now. A major corporate conglomerate doesn't just add their name to a party for the sake of BLEEP! and giggles and titles. It's all finanical. Clive doesn't pay for that party entirely out of pocket anymore, it's shared now with NARAS. Trust had Clive paid for that party and could make the shots, that party woulda been cancelled the second he heard. I think people need to get the BLEEP! off Clive's back in all honest about the party. EVERYONE.

Secondly - If the movie rumors are true it makes sense. One of the 100,000 thoughts that went through my head during those first few days was if Clive was gonna jump on the movie production so HE could have control of it so it wasn't a 2 hr movie about BBB & Drug Usuage as the entire world seems to want to focus on the legacy of Whitney Houston. He prolly wants his name on it from the get go so that it can be done the way IT SHOULD BE DONE. Be about the voice, the artistry, the icon, the phenomena. Not the drug addiction and tumultuous marriage that media likes to stay hard about.

Thirdly - His comments were not that strange at the funeral. Everyone deals with death differently. I didn't wanna belive it was all real untill I had to at 12pm, Saturday February 18. At 3:30 PM I watched Whitney's casket be taken off the camera. That's when it was too real for comfort. Whitney & Clive's industry relationship is a legacy in itself. The both of them loved each other very very much.

Lastly I just don't think it's fair that her fans are going for someone she loved so much after she's dead. While all her fans were talking BLEEP! about her voice on the album and how she needs to do A,B,C to X,Y,Z Clive stood there in front of the entire industry and continually gave Whitney the props she deserved and BLEEP! earned. That funeral chat was disrespectable as Rhianna would say on GOT 2 BE REAL. I stopped paying attention anyhow. Should I think none of us are fans because people were having a good old time talking BLEEP! on Clive and everyone else? NO. We all grieve differently. Some are blasting Whitney's music, others can't stand the thought of hearing her in their head let alone blasting her on 40dbz. His controbution at the funeral was a mixed bag and rightfully so. He loved her beyond a business relationship; but also that's their history. I thought what he said was good. I liked that he kept defending her legacy. He's like the one guy always out there having her back for 30 years and couple things open to interpretation and folks wanna start hating on Clive. Ridiculous guys, c'mon!!

I don't think it's nice, I don't think it's fair to suddenly start hating on people because they want someone to be pissed off at because Whitney's dead. I'm pissed off too, I'm taking it out on all the morons in the world that are steppin on my toes the wrong way. I'm not gonna single out someone to vent about.

I don't think Clive is picture perfect either, however I do think it's BLEEP! to see Whitney fans suddenly all bent out of shape over him. The same BLEEP! y'all are doing is the same BLEEP! people did/doing to Whitney. Jumping to conclusions based on BLEEP!. We can jump to conclusions here about Whitney because at least we have enough 411 to put the pieces together (like her really wanting to comeback strong vocally, like her leaving Bobby before the NE article even came out in Mar 06, etc etc etc). I just think it's a big disservice to Whitney.

I'm too upset about Whitney though to put any real effort into my opinions. This is what I have to say about it all and I'm not up for discussing it. Just putting it out there.

I have to agree... I said before if anyone should be behind a Whitney movie and for it to be done right is Clive Davis. The only thing I have to say is they should've the "party" into a tribute but I'm sure Millions of dollars was spent for that event, they should've cut the "party" part out and just left it as a tribute other than that. I think Clive throughout Whitney's Career and even at the funeral wanted the WORLD to know who the person we loved. Not her troubles but the great accomplishments she achieved because it does seem as if people had forgot, and I appreciate him for reminding the doubters who "WHITNEY HOUSTON" was.

[Zolas]

Every1lovesNippy, on 15 March 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

PontusFromSweden, on 15 March 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

Not a chance with zero personality, she bore me to death with her screaming.

Yea. JHud is a nice girl, but her singing is not much to write home about. Aside form her being loud. She has a big, loud, voice. I much perfer her acting, where she has a nice quality that makes you want to root for her.

Well, in her earlier years she did oversing it at times but nowadays it's not as bad.

And I didn't say she IS the voice of her generation. But to me she might be.

Just like Whitney isn't the voice of her generation to everyone. It's all subjective...

[truthspeaker06]

Zolas, on 16 March 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Every1lovesNippy, on 15 March 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

PontusFromSweden, on 15 March 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

Not a chance with zero personality, she bore me to death with her screaming.

Yea. JHud is a nice girl, but her singing is not much to write home about. Aside form her being loud. She has a big, loud, voice. I much perfer her acting, where she has a nice quality that makes you want to root for her.

Well, in her earlier years she did oversing it at times but nowadays it's not as bad.

And I didn't say she IS the voice of her generation. But to me she might be.

Just like Whitney isn't the voice of her generation to everyone. It's all subjective...

Indeed because I actually happen to like Jhud & think she is indeed one of the "voices" of my generation. Unlike most of her peers, she actually has a voice LOL

[Mind Speaker]

truthspeaker06, on 16 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Zolas, on 16 March 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Every1lovesNippy, on 15 March 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

PontusFromSweden, on 15 March 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

Not a chance with zero personality, she bore me to death with her screaming.

Yea. JHud is a nice girl, but her singing is not much to write home about. Aside form her being loud. She has a big, loud, voice. I much perfer her acting, where she has a nice quality that makes you want to root for her.

Well, in her earlier years she did oversing it at times but nowadays it's not as bad.

And I didn't say she IS the voice of her generation. But to me she might be.

Just like Whitney isn't the voice of her generation to everyone. It's all subjective...

Indeed because I actually happen to like Jhud & think she is indeed one of the "voices" of my generation. Unlike most of her peers, she actually has a voice LOL

IMO, it's between her and Chriscreama Aguilera.

[artchannel]

Easy to say when none of us are walking in his shoes.

[KSL415]

Petra, on 15 March 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

CoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 15 March 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

worldsbest, on 15 March 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

atang245, on 09 March 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Just watch Whitney-Diane Sawyer interview, the word she used for her relationship with Davis: " A Svengali relationship."

Somehow, i do believe Whitney is singing this song partly to Clive....

You think? I always thought it was about Bobby. Whitney always said "if I can't feel it, I can't sing it", which begs the question why did she stay so long with him if she was singing INRBIO,HH, ILFTB, GIB, IBO, DJL, and TIOMO. Those are alot of songs on 2 different albums to sing about a particular thing.

She shoulda have just left in 96 all together and let it go. She woulda gotten alot of hell for it but it woulda been alot easier to deal with than what she did in the decade following that.

Very sad story to such an incredible legacy.

6 Studio Albums, 3 Soundtracks, Holiday Album & A Greatest Hits. Everyone else in the industry prolly has what twice that you think? If not more? What a legacy.

it's the quality, not quantity that matters it's actually amazing what she accomplished with so little music (when you compare her with some people who have a new album every other year)..and when you think about all that material that is stored somewhere in a vault, all potential hits and award winners..some are talking about the number of recorded and unpublished songs being around 100, i can't even grasp what that means..100 songs

So crazy you mention that. I was just thinking about that to myself the other day.
QUALITY HOLDS MORE TO ME PERSONALLY THAN QUANTITY!