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[dempsey]

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

let me share my opinion..

so many things are being said, its hard to know whats true. i saw on tv yesterday something about whitney owed for loans and things of that sort for that 100 million dollar contract so she was getting loans from clive or something like that,so the money thats made from her albums now since her passing doesnt go to her heirs, but to the record company or something to that effect. dont know how true that is but it really bothered and hurt me.

i agree with the person who said something like since her voice was gone (or wasnt what it was would have been what i said cuz she still had plenty of voice in her) she was no good to him. i agree with that also. the day after whitney passed i went to walmart,kmart,target..etc to find whitneys bodyguard soundtrack couldnt find it anywhere and to my amazment all stores barely had one cd in stock of hers, i couldnt believe it. but now after her passing her cds are everywhere. and my saying this is to simply say people had stopped buying her cds and clive knew it. funny but if you go in the stores now they have plenty of all her cds in stock now, walmart even has a poster of her.

i never believed in that crazy illuminati stuff until recent and it is really starting to make sense to me, they always talk about celebrities making blood sacrifices for greater fame and fortune and i believe its true, it's only my opinion but i believe some of these things that they are talking about. i dont believe that all celebs do this but i believe some do. i wish we knew the truth but i am sorry i dont trust clive at all its just my opinion.

[Cantor]

Actually, it's the love of money that is the root of all evil, because money certainly isn't intrinsically evil.

I know there certainly are people out there who make diabolical pacts in order to gain fame and fortune.

Personally, I have no comment about Clive Davis, because I don't know the man. All I know is that if he and Gerry Griffith weren't on the same page about wanting to sign Whitney to Arista back in the 80s, who knows how the story would have gone? Everything - every song we know her for would never have been recorded by her.

So I am thankful that Clive went to the max to promote his new 'talent' when Whitney made her solo debut as a new artist with Arista. Does that absolve him of any latter-day discretions or missteps, real or perceived? All I can think is that unless he's a heartless, brainless, soulless, Walking Dead zombie, he must be truly heartbroken by Whitney's death.

[pandrummer]

Every1lovesNippy, on 02 March 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

pandrummer, on 02 March 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

atang245, on 28 February 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

I don't like Clive. I think he is a user. I think Whitney tried to break from him as indicate by her interview with Diane Swayer. I think he blackball her music career when they broke their relationship; she came back to him so he would stop. Most of his wealth is probably attribute to Whitney album sells.

I do not know Clive Davis personally but I did have the honor of meeting one of his artists back around '88.(I prefer not mentioning any names at this point) He left A&M to go with Arista. He was and still is a great singer song writer. Clive wanted him to sing other people's music. Clive wanted to make this artist the male version of Whitney. He refused to sing other songs such as "Even The Nights Are Better" which was recorded by the group Air Supply. This artist was into more sort of R&B Jazz fusion. he was the first white artist to appear on Soul Train. To make a long story short he was basically shelved for not wanting to do it Clive's way. He was not able to record for 5 years. He had to buy back his contract for 2 million dollars!

So that story came from the horses mouth.

nuff said...

The one thing I will say is that Clive should have encouraged Whitney to write at least a couple of her own songs for each album, and to co-write as well. She was very musical and had great ideas for vocal arrangments. The money is made by the songwriters, and I think this "oversight" will been seen to have a big impact on Whitney's estate. It is a good thing she branched off into producing successful movies (though, who knows how those deals were structured).

Whatever became of the artist of whom you spoke? I can't say I blame him for refusing to sing that wretched Air Supply song. In fact, I'm a bit annoyed that I have been reminded of that thing. I'll bet even Air Supply don't want to be reminded of that crap.

He now lives half the year in Europe Sweden the other half in Oregon. I think. He has a great following in Europe and south america and tours the States and Canada every couple of years.. I would love to mention his name but i do not know if i should.....I am sure you know who he is. He was born in Monteal Canada. Hits were "You Gotta move", "I Just Wanna Stop", "Living Inside Myself", "Black Cars" etc....He is in a class of his own.

Edited by pandrummer, 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM.

[Zolas]

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

Edited by Zolas, 03 March 2012 - 08:48 AM.

[atang245]

I wish she didn't sign the last $100M deal with Arista, but it is really hard to turn $100M down.

[Steplejack]

You know what all Clive Davis Davis was interested in was the money i don't think he really cared about Whitney at all

[Zolas]

Here we go again...

[Petra]

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

i don't know, i just don't see it happening..yeah, she has a powerful voice, but that's all..all power, zero emotion..to me, the potential voice of this generation is adele..now, i know we kinda don't like her right now because she broke whitney's 20 week record and she's still on that #1 but the first time i saw/heard her, she reminded me of whitney..now, don't get me wrong, there will never be another her, that's for sure..if you ask me, the thing that always separated whitney from the rest was not her voice, but her emotion and conviction, her stage presence and her amazing live performing..and i see some of that in adele, she has that spark, if you know what i mean..so i believe adele could be that person, i don't see jhud anywhere near that title..

[clemsonfight]

Petra, on 08 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

i don't know, i just don't see it happening..yeah, she has a powerful voice, but that's all..all power, zero emotion..to me, the potential voice of this generation is adele..now, i know we kinda don't like her right now because she broke whitney's 20 week record and she's still on that #1 but the first time i saw/heard her, she reminded me of whitney..now, don't get me wrong, there will never be another her, that's for sure..if you ask me, the thing that always separated whitney from the rest was not her voice, but her emotion and conviction, her stage presence and her amazing live performing..and i see some of that in adele, she has that spark, if you know what i mean..so i believe adele could be that person, i don't see jhud anywhere near that title..

Maybe but I'm just SO tired of Adele right now. I know she's good and all but her voice doesn't really move me as much as people say it should...and I'm just bored of her songs tbh...they play them SOOOO much on the radio, everytime I hear Rolling in the Deep or Soemone Like You come on, I can't reach for the radio dial fast enough

[Petra]

clemsonfight, on 08 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Petra, on 08 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

i don't know, i just don't see it happening..yeah, she has a powerful voice, but that's all..all power, zero emotion..to me, the potential voice of this generation is adele..now, i know we kinda don't like her right now because she broke whitney's 20 week record and she's still on that #1 but the first time i saw/heard her, she reminded me of whitney..now, don't get me wrong, there will never be another her, that's for sure..if you ask me, the thing that always separated whitney from the rest was not her voice, but her emotion and conviction, her stage presence and her amazing live performing..and i see some of that in adele, she has that spark, if you know what i mean..so i believe adele could be that person, i don't see jhud anywhere near that title..

Maybe but I'm just SO tired of Adele right now. I know she's good and all but her voice doesn't really move me as much as people say it should...and I'm just bored of her songs tbh...they play them SOOOO much on the radio, everytime I hear Rolling in the Deep or Soemone Like You come on, I can't reach for the radio dial fast enough

hahaha i hear ya! nevertheless, i do see some major potential there..time will tell

[buddha]

clemsonfight, on 08 March 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Petra, on 08 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Zolas, on 03 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

dempsey, on 02 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Im sorry but only God knows the truth and one day we will understand it all, but until then we all have opinions. Im not bashing clive but the truth of the matter is that something is very wrong with clive and all his actions. i almost cried when i heard him praise j. hud in that video, whitney hasnt even been dead a month and he already giving her the same praise he gave whitney. soooo many things makes no sense at all, but i am a believer of the gospel of jesus christ and he clearly said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . im not a preacher or a teacher, i am a sinner just like every other human on the planet and i am not better or nor do i think i am better than anyone but "he's all over me, and he's keeping me alive!

Let me remind you that this is an interview from before Whitney's passing, so Whitney was alive and well when Clive said this.

And I think that he has a point. To me, JHud is potentially the voice of this generation. I don't care how much albums she sold. We all agree music sales/biz is different now and it says nothing about the quality. Her first album was somewhat disappointing due to the songs. Her sophomore album is much better. Her live performances are powerful. I can't wait to see what she does.

i don't know, i just don't see it happening..yeah, she has a powerful voice, but that's all..all power, zero emotion..to me, the potential voice of this generation is adele..now, i know we kinda don't like her right now because she broke whitney's 20 week record and she's still on that #1 but the first time i saw/heard her, she reminded me of whitney..now, don't get me wrong, there will never be another her, that's for sure..if you ask me, the thing that always separated whitney from the rest was not her voice, but her emotion and conviction, her stage presence and her amazing live performing..and i see some of that in adele, she has that spark, if you know what i mean..so i believe adele could be that person, i don't see jhud anywhere near that title..

Maybe but I'm just SO tired of Adele right now. I know she's good and all but her voice doesn't really move me as much as people say it should...and I'm just bored of her songs tbh...they play them SOOOO much on the radio, everytime I hear Rolling in the Deep or Soemone Like You come on, I can't reach for the radio dial fast enough

I agree with you! I know she's divine messiah and I'm willing to admit my opinion is wack because she is so universally acclaimed. And I'm glad for her success because she's absolutely great and unique. I have her album I liked it but played it through twice and it's bye. I get depressed. But perhaps I get won over in the future when she explores new territories musically.

[NippyFanNy779]

Shes good but Adele doesnt have the spark. I don't care to know anything abut her. Whitney drew me in. I was hooked. I wanted to see and hear everything. Adele doesn't move me like that. Teena Marie did more for me than Adele. I honestly can't explain her success

[KSL415]

Steplejack, on 08 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

You know what all Clive Davis Davis was interested in was the money i don't think he really cared about Whitney at all

Totally disagree

[Steplejack]

KSL415, on 08 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Steplejack, on 08 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

You know what all Clive Davis Davis was interested in was the money i don't think he really cared about Whitney at all

Totally disagree

I respect your opinion

[atang245]

i wonder how times has he called Bobbi to see how she's doing. my guess is close to -1.