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[PontusFromSweden]

I need to keep track of this man. I do not trust him at all anymore. Here I want to collect everything he says from now on.

[Terrence]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNY you posted this. You're in my brain. This was my Facebook status from earlier today:

I'm really trying to fight this feeling but lately Clive Davis has *really* been putting a sour taste in my mouth. For 30+ years he has been Whitney's leader, her 2nd father, hell he's even the Godfather to her daughter. But his actions as of late have be looking at him differently. First he continues with his Pre-Grammy party while Whitney's body was lying in the floor four floors above his head ...and while his Godchild suffered. Then he couldn't be bothered to stay for the entire private viewing and had to leave shortly after it began. Then at her funeral he talks at length about her music career and her hits like that's the only thing that mattered to you. Now he's behind the helm to fast track a movie based on her life. What the hell?! What are you doing Clive? You're looking like a greedy flesh eater just drooling at the next opportunity to make some quick cash off her name. A movie? Already? The woman JUST died like 2 weeks ago. She's just barely been in the ground a full week. We DON'T need a new movie right now. Let's focus on remembering her legend and look forward to Sparkle. Can we get a couple of years or so before we begin talking about a movie? I guess the saying is true, you really are worth more dead then alive. I thought Clive would have a little more class and tact knowing how much he meant to her. Damn!

[PontusFromSweden]

Well Terrence, you gave me courage to post this, I saw this before, and first I didnt think I should start this thread, he is still Clive who I´ve adored as long as I loved Whitney, but then I thought, hell no.....he HAS acted stranged and disrespectful in my opinion, so I do NOT like him anymore.

I do believe he loved Whitney, no question about that.

But I am now convinced everything she was to him was another record to break....the old man keeps talking about that record and that record...even at her FUNERAL! who gives a BLEEP!! she is lying infront of him in a coffin, dead, and he almost read us her discography.....*shaking my head*

Edited by PontusFromSweden, 27 February 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Terrence]

PontusFromSweden, on 27 February 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Well Terrence, you gave me courage to post this, I saw this before, and first I didnt think I should start this thread, he is still Clive who I´ve adored as long as I loved Whitney, but then I thought, hell no.....he HAS acted stranged and disrespectful in my opinion, so I do NOT like him anymore.

I do believe he loved Whitney, no question about that.

But I am now convinced everything she was to him was another record to break....the old man keeps talking about that record and that record...even at her FUNERAL! who gives a BLEEP!! she is lying infront of him in a coffin, dead, and he almost read us her discography.....*shaking my head*

TRUTH.COM!!! We all kept saying what? Is this all he knows of her? Her charting positions and single releases?

[PontusFromSweden]

Terrence, on 27 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

PontusFromSweden, on 27 February 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Well Terrence, you gave me courage to post this, I saw this before, and first I didnt think I should start this thread, he is still Clive who I´ve adored as long as I loved Whitney, but then I thought, hell no.....he HAS acted stranged and disrespectful in my opinion, so I do NOT like him anymore.

I do believe he loved Whitney, no question about that.

But I am now convinced everything she was to him was another record to break....the old man keeps talking about that record and that record...even at her FUNERAL! who gives a BLEEP!! she is lying infront of him in a coffin, dead, and he almost read us her discography.....*shaking my head*

TRUTH.COM!!! We all kept saying what? Is this all he knows of her? Her charting positions and single releases?

Yes!! I was watching with my mouth open and couldnt believe it! I mean yes, she was successful, we KNOW that Clive, we can google that if not. I was very disapointed.

[PontusFromSweden]

But as you write Mr T, the most disgusting thing is the PreGrammy party, she is lying dead and he decides to keep the party going. To me that was the most shocking thing, and that said a lot.

If my mother was lying dead and her "friends" decided to have a party in the same building, I would be deeply hurt and furious.

[Cdj2002]

Im going to chew on this idea of not liking Clive a little more. I am just hearing about the movie being fast tracked. As for the Pre-Grammy Party continuing to goon. I agree with Chaka Khan. I think they could've done more of a tribute to Whitney at the actual party. He coulda re-arrange the night, have people speak about their time with Whitney etc etc.. I don't doubt that Clive loved/loves Whitney. Maybe just maybe this movie will highlight her life and enhance her legacy not take away from it. I will remain optimistic. I keep thinking that Clive is trying to highlight her legacy instead of the other crap. Maybe that's why he talked about her hits at the funeral. I posted this on this site a couple months ago but I think it was 60 Minutes that stated there is an entire generation that only know Whitney Houston as Bobby's Brown's wife, maybe Clive is trying to offset that ?

[John-John]

On same page with Pontus & Terrence. My Mama ALWAYS told me that folks show their colors at funerals & weddings. It's a damned shame.

What's really shocking is how clueless & oblivious he seems. I used to defend his odd decisions since the mid-90s to fans who criticized him. Either he's got early-mid onset dementia or he's COLDER than Saturn's rings.

[whitneyglobe]

I think he has lost the plot - why celebrate at at time of death with the body still upstairs - I demand an apology Clive

[Every1lovesNippy]

I agree that it is way to soon to talk about a movie on Whitney's life. It is just heearless and tasteless at this time, heck, we don't even know the cause of death, and many fans, myself included, still break tears spontaneously at the mere thought that she is gone. Who can think of a biopic at this time? What I think should happen first is a release of a live album as well as an album composd of her unreleased material (like the song she did with Jermaine Jackson that Motown decided to use, so it never got released (though I'm not a big fan of those JJ duets)). What Becomes of the Broken Hearted would be especially poignent in the circumstances. And the Doro Films project is a must. Either as originally intended or with the new material the director has mentioned. But Sparkle was Whitney's baby, and that is what should get priority treatment, nourishing her dream and embracing final project. If it is true that Clive is pushing a biopic, and we don't know it to be so, then I think it is wrong. Unless Cissy and the family have asked him to sheppard a tasteful project that is fitting for Whitney's legacy. That is possible, and if that were the case, given Clive's age and Cissy's age, speed would probably be called for.

On Clive's speach at the services, yes, he is a businessman, and yes, he's going to be about money, but I would not judge him for speaking of Whitney's accomplishments. It is typical at funerals to ask people to speak to different aspects of the departed loved one's life. Clive would be the natural one to speak about Whitney's accomplishments in the music industry, and given the worldwide interest in her services, it was important to remind everyone why she is a legend. There's nothing like numbers, like 7 consecutive, 20 weeks at No. 1, etc., to help non fans to see the reality of her accomplishments. I just wish that someone had taken the time to talk about Whitney's many charitable contributions. Clive could have done this in speaking about the SSB charting and Whitney donating proceeds to charity and he could have mentioned her stand against apartheid and her concerts in S. Africa where she donated all procees to children's charities. This is how he could have tied her chart-topping career to her human and big-hearted side. However, in the moment of shock and grief, people are not writing for pulitzers, they are dazed, heartbroken and just trying to get through the moment without embarassing themselves or the departed. I think we should give Clive the benefit of the doubt on his part of the homegoing services. Eulogies are hard to do. I don't ever want to have to do one for someone I love who has departed unexpectedly.

But, here's my caveat: If Clive keeps trying to push JHud out as the "next Whitney," if he even thinks of having her or anyone else try to cover any of Whitney's material, if he dreams of having someone try to sing Whitney's stuff in any biopic, instead of lip syncing, then all benefit of the doubt would be withdrawn.

[dablack11]

My thing is this... lets just say that they felt Whitney would have wanted the show to go on... with it being so fresh, and her body still laying floors above them, he was not choked up or crying enough for me!! Toni damn Braxton was boo hooing on the red carpet, Ray J was in there sobbing, but he's in there reading a speech while WHITNEY HOUSTON was just found dead hours prior, and there's polices and investigators all over the place, her body still upstairs, etc, and not a tear. That ish irked me!!

[CoNcLusIveTrUthZ]

You know what, I keep staying out of the Clive stuff but I find it odd that everyone is suddenly down Clive's back. This man has had Whitney's back through all the hell and all of it. Just because 1) Clive made a statement about not doing another album untill she could knock everyone out again is not a big deal. You wanna castrate someone for that, start with your family at home (on Whitney-Fan.com. We're all guility of wanting better vocally from Whitney) 2) Clive Davis' name is the only thing in control of that party now. A major corporate conglomerate doesn't just add their name to a party for the sake of BLEEP! and giggles and titles. It's all finanical. Clive doesn't pay for that party entirely out of pocket anymore, it's shared now with NARAS. Trust had Clive paid for that party and could make the shots, that party woulda been cancelled the second he heard. I think people need to get the BLEEP! off Clive's back in all honest about the party. EVERYONE.

Secondly - If the movie rumors are true it makes sense. One of the 100,000 thoughts that went through my head during those first few days was if Clive was gonna jump on the movie production so HE could have control of it so it wasn't a 2 hr movie about BBB & Drug Usuage as the entire world seems to want to focus on the legacy of Whitney Houston. He prolly wants his name on it from the get go so that it can be done the way IT SHOULD BE DONE. Be about the voice, the artistry, the icon, the phenomena. Not the drug addiction and tumultuous marriage that media likes to stay hard about.

Thirdly - His comments were not that strange at the funeral. Everyone deals with death differently. I didn't wanna belive it was all real untill I had to at 12pm, Saturday February 18. At 3:30 PM I watched Whitney's casket be taken off the camera. That's when it was too real for comfort. Whitney & Clive's industry relationship is a legacy in itself. The both of them loved each other very very much.

Lastly I just don't think it's fair that her fans are going for someone she loved so much after she's dead. While all her fans were talking BLEEP! about her voice on the album and how she needs to do A,B,C to X,Y,Z Clive stood there in front of the entire industry and continually gave Whitney the props she deserved and BLEEP! earned. That funeral chat was disrespectable as Rhianna would say on GOT 2 BE REAL. I stopped paying attention anyhow. Should I think none of us are fans because people were having a good old time talking BLEEP! on Clive and everyone else? NO. We all grieve differently. Some are blasting Whitney's music, others can't stand the thought of hearing her in their head let alone blasting her on 40dbz. His controbution at the funeral was a mixed bag and rightfully so. He loved her beyond a business relationship; but also that's their history. I thought what he said was good. I liked that he kept defending her legacy. He's like the one guy always out there having her back for 30 years and couple things open to interpretation and folks wanna start hating on Clive. Ridiculous guys, c'mon!!

I don't think it's nice, I don't think it's fair to suddenly start hating on people because they want someone to be pissed off at because Whitney's dead. I'm pissed off too, I'm taking it out on all the morons in the world that are steppin on my toes the wrong way. I'm not gonna single out someone to vent about.

I don't think Clive is picture perfect either, however I do think it's BLEEP! to see Whitney fans suddenly all bent out of shape over him. The same BLEEP! y'all are doing is the same BLEEP! people did/doing to Whitney. Jumping to conclusions based on BLEEP!. We can jump to conclusions here about Whitney because at least we have enough 411 to put the pieces together (like her really wanting to comeback strong vocally, like her leaving Bobby before the NE article even came out in Mar 06, etc etc etc). I just think it's a big disservice to Whitney.

I'm too upset about Whitney though to put any real effort into my opinions. This is what I have to say about it all and I'm not up for discussing it. Just putting it out there.

[dablack11]

CoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 27 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

You know what, I keep staying out of the Clive stuff but I find it odd that everyone is suddenly down Clive's back. This man has had Whitney's back through all the hell and all of it. Just because 1) Clive made a statement about not doing another album untill she could knock everyone out again is not a big deal. You wanna castrate someone for that, start with your family at home (on Whitney-Fan.com. We're all guility of wanting better vocally from Whitney) 2) Clive Davis' name is the only thing in control of that party now. A major corporate conglomerate doesn't just add their name to a party for the sake of BLEEP! and giggles and titles. It's all finanical. Clive doesn't pay for that party entirely out of pocket anymore, it's shared now with NARAS. Trust had Clive paid for that party and could make the shots, that party woulda been cancelled the second he heard. I think people need to get the BLEEP! off Clive's back in all honest about the party. EVERYONE.

Secondly - If the movie rumors are true it makes sense. One of the 100,000 thoughts that went through my head during those first few days was if Clive was gonna jump on the movie production so HE could have control of it so it wasn't a 2 hr movie about BBB & Drug Usuage as the entire world seems to want to focus on the legacy of Whitney Houston. He prolly wants his name on it from the get go so that it can be done the way IT SHOULD BE DONE. Be about the voice, the artistry, the icon, the phenomena. Not the drug addiction and tumultuous marriage that media likes to stay hard about.

Thirdly - His comments were not that strange at the funeral. Everyone deals with death differently. I didn't wanna belive it was all real untill I had to at 12pm, Saturday February 18. At 3:30 PM I watched Whitney's casket be taken off the camera. That's when it was too real for comfort. Whitney & Clive's industry relationship is a legacy in itself. The both of them loved each other very very much.

Lastly I just don't think it's fair that her fans are going for someone she loved so much after she's dead. While all her fans were talking BLEEP! about her voice on the album and how she needs to do A,B,C to X,Y,Z Clive stood there in front of the entire industry and continually gave Whitney the props she deserved and BLEEP! earned. That funeral chat was disrespectable as Rhianna would say on GOT 2 BE REAL. I stopped paying attention anyhow. Should I think none of us are fans because people were having a good old time talking BLEEP! on Clive and everyone else? NO. We all grieve differently. Some are blasting Whitney's music, others can't stand the thought of hearing her in their head let alone blasting her on 40dbz. His controbution at the funeral was a mixed bag and rightfully so. He loved her beyond a business relationship; but also that's their history. I thought what he said was good. I liked that he kept defending her legacy. He's like the one guy always out there having her back for 30 years and couple things open to interpretation and folks wanna start hating on Clive. Ridiculous guys, c'mon!!

I don't think it's nice, I don't think it's fair to suddenly start hating on people because they want someone to be pissed off at because Whitney's dead. I'm pissed off too, I'm taking it out on all the morons in the world that are steppin on my toes the wrong way. I'm not gonna single out someone to vent about.

I don't think Clive is picture perfect either, however I do think it's BLEEP! to see Whitney fans suddenly all bent out of shape over him. The same BLEEP! y'all are doing is the same BLEEP! people did/doing to Whitney. Jumping to conclusions based on BLEEP!. We can jump to conclusions here about Whitney because at least we have enough 411 to put the pieces together (like her really wanting to comeback strong vocally, like her leaving Bobby before the NE article even came out in Mar 06, etc etc etc). I just think it's a big disservice to Whitney.

I'm too upset about Whitney though to put any real effort into my opinions. This is what I have to say about it all and I'm not up for discussing it. Just putting it out there.

I know your response wasnt geared towards me personally, but I stated my reasons for not feeling Clive too much, and it has nothing to do with all the other stuff, I just find it hard to believe that you did not break down when the woman you were supposed to walk the damn red carpet with is dead. This is someone who's back you've had throughout the years and all the other points you mentioned, she is dead, and you did not cry??? I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Maybe he held it together for the party, maybe he did cry in private, i dont know, but what I do know is that he did not show anything that night while he made his speech.

[buddha]

There has been some things that have irked me after Whitney's death, stuff that has been said and done by some people(celebrities etc.). But I find this hate everyone and everything that says one bad word about Whitney or doesn't cry enough or blinks their eye the wrong way train very dissapointing and I will steer as far clear from it as possible.

[Every1lovesNippy]

dablack11, on 27 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

My thing is this... lets just say that they felt Whitney would have wanted the show to go on... with it being so fresh, and her body still laying floors above them, he was not choked up or crying enough for me!! Toni damn Braxton was boo hooing on the red carpet, Ray J was in there sobbing, but he's in there reading a speech while WHITNEY HOUSTON was just found dead hours prior, and there's polices and investigators all over the place, her body still upstairs, etc, and not a tear. That ish irked me!!

Ray J was using Whitney (she probably knew it and was willing because it was fun and he was a family friend). Everytime she was with him, the paps just happened to show up on scene. She could be incognito for months, Ray J would show up and the paps would come a calling. He is a publicity whore, and will do anything on camera for a shout out, including cryin, and breaking down, and slobbering all over the casket. Krissy held it together as best she could, and Dionne, and Gary, and Brandy, and Kim Burrell, and all the other folks who were really close to Whitney. Ray J was making a spectacle of himself for the cameras, same as BBB. I'll say one thing for Whitney, her taste in men was consistent, rest her soul.