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[Mind Speaker]

I got word that a certain news show leaked Whitney's last will and testament. Several fans have already texted me to let me know what it said, and while I appreciate the gesture, thigs of such a private nature, again, are not news nor do they have place on a fan board. These are private legal documents that should be reserved for her lawyers and those named in the will.

I can't imagine how I would feel if my mother's will were released for the world to see. Its intensely private and not entertainment.

I feel the same about the toxicology reports and autopsy reports. I'm not attempting to censor us but these are things that I consider off limits.

Should Lisa disagree, she can override what I've said.

Thanks.

[Zolas]

I agree. Unless we at WF are all in the will, we have nothing to do with it and shouldn't promote its spreading...


However, I wanna ask you how far the toxicology report rule goes... It doesn't apply when parts are officially made public, right? I ask because I know that many of us feel the need to know what caused her passing and would want to discuss if it is ever revealed... But I would agree if a leak of the (full) report would be off limits...

[Every1lovesNippy]

Zolas, on 07 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I agree. Unless we at WF are all in the will, we have nothing to do with it and shouldn't promote its spreading...


However, I wanna ask you how far the toxicology report rule goes... It doesn't apply when parts are officially made public, right? I ask because I know that many of us feel the need to know what caused her passing and would want to discuss if it is ever revealed... But I would agree if a leak of the (full) report would be off limits...

FYI, a will is NOT a private document. It is a document that is intended to be public and to be filed with the court. It must be published to give notice to any persons who might be entitled to questionthe validity of the alleged will, to notify intended beneficiaries, and to place creditors of the estate on notice. there is absolutely nothing wrong with publishing a will. In fact, at least in the States and other Common Law countries, it is required to be published by being filed with the court.

[Mind Speaker]

That's something I'll have to discuss with Terrence and Lisa. I know how about feel about it but they may noy share my sentiments.

[Lisa]

Actually I disagree with this. It's a legal document and will be made public like other similar legal documents -- such as Whitney's divorce papers, custody papers, and lawsuit that she won vs. her stepmother. This is not equivalent to posting a photo of Whitney in her casket, or posting something that's sealed and that the family would never want to be seen.

As much as I would love to give them total privacy, we simply can't do this for everything. It's a legal document, and it's going to be discussed. How are we supposed to prevent this?

[Mind Speaker]

Let it be your mother and daughter that passed then you'll get to decide. None of us here are beneficiaries, creditors, or executors. If you need to see it, find it on your own.

[Mind Speaker]

Lisa, on 07 March 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Actually I disagree with this. It's a legal document and will be made public like other similar legal documents -- such as Whitney's divorce papers, custody papers, and lawsuit that she won vs. her stepmother. This is not equivalent to posting a photo of Whitney in her casket, or posting something that's sealed and that the family would never want to be seen.

As much as I would love to give them total privacy, we simply can't do this for everything. It's a legal document, and it's going to be discussed. How are we supposed to prevent this?

I have to respect your decision here Lisa.

[Zolas]

That's how I feel. Just because something is 'legal' or 'public' it doesn't mean you have to go after it and put it out there (here) and gossip about it...

But it's not up to me so I'll sh.. up now...

[Every1lovesNippy]

Mind Speaker, on 07 March 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Let it be your mother and daughter that passed then you'll get to decide. None of us here are beneficiaries, creditors, or executors. If you need to see it, find it on your own.

Here's the thing, you don't know if you are a beneficiary or not. That is an assumption (and probably a good one) but one never knows. People have done stranger things in their wills and many persons go on to leave tokens to unsuspecting people who they feel have done them a kindness during their lives. For example, Whitney could have left a portion of her estate to assist Lisa in the expenses of administering Whitney-fan (again, notlikely), stranger things have happened. This is why wills are published (as opposed to trusts which may remain private), to give public notice to all affected and potentially affected parties. Once it is published, you are on notice, and if you don't take care of your rights before the assets are distributed, absent fraud or other nefarious doings, you are SOL. So, again, nothing wrong with publishing.

[NippyFanNy779]

Larry I fully understand where you are coming from but my first reaction is the same as Lisa. It can't be okay to review and discus her divorce decree, and prenup but then have the will be off limits either we don't view any of them or we are able to review and discuss them all. It is after all a public document. I deal with wills eveyday. They are only confidential prior to the grantors demise.

[Every1lovesNippy]

BTW, does anyone even know if what they are circulating is real? From what it appears, it's dated 2000, and there was another report that the will was updated after her divorce (which would be the normal thing that any good divorce attorney would advice as soon as one separated), so who knows what this is. The only way anyone will know for sure is if it is published and no other wills or codicils turn up. One thing is sure, if this will is legit and it is from 2000, Bobby Brown will be sniffing around.

[NippyFanNy779]

Every1lovesNippy, on 07 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

BTW, does anyone even know if what they are circulating is real? From what it appears, it's dated 2000, and there was another report that the will was updated after her divorce (which would be the normal thing that any good divorce attorney would advice as soon as one separated), so who knows what this is. The only way anyone will know for sure is if it is published and no other wills or codicils turn up. One thing is sure, if this will is legit and it is from 2000, Bobby Brown will be sniffing around.

She never left him anything to begin with. From the time the document was drawn up everything went to Kris.

[smann87]

I agree about the will being public and therefore being acceptable. The reason I am posting is because it's an interesting question: aren't toxicology reports public as well? Don't those also give fans closure as to what happened too? I respect making things as private for Whitney's loved ones as possible but these are things not handled through private matters...aka that creepy person who took a picture of Whitney after she passed. I'm still glad I have 0% temptation to see that picture...don't people want to remember her as the beautiful entertainer they knew? I never got to vent on that. Plus how a minority of the public feels entertainers should realize these things will happen thanks to the price they have paid while being in the spotlight. Meaning if I sing a bunch of songs and act in movies there's no question I'm obligated to allow you to see my dead body and invade my family's privacy. Anyhow.....

[smann87]

NippyFanNy779, on 07 March 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Every1lovesNippy, on 07 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

BTW, does anyone even know if what they are circulating is real? From what it appears, it's dated 2000, and there was another report that the will was updated after her divorce (which would be the normal thing that any good divorce attorney would advice as soon as one separated), so who knows what this is. The only way anyone will know for sure is if it is published and no other wills or codicils turn up. One thing is sure, if this will is legit and it is from 2000, Bobby Brown will be sniffing around.

She never left him anything to begin with. From the time the document was drawn up everything went to Kris.

Which I find fascinating by the way. I'm wondering what her exact frame of mind was when she did that...I'd like to think she didn't trust him but she could've figured he had his own finances so she left hers to her daughter...I can see this being why people find wills being private matters....because we'll never really know and I realize I'm by no means obliged to know either.

[MLIYL]

This is really no different than her divorce papers being posted and discussed back when that all happened.... as long as it doesn't show her social security number or anything along those lines, then....

I find it amusing that this was made in 2000, while married to Bobby, and he was still left nothing. Even when they were married! So little says so much.