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[truthspeaker06]

NippyFanNy779, on 14 March 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

People who don't have faith and don't believe in anything greater than themselves will never understand. They dismiss it as delusion or fantasy because they cannot scientifically explain it. But if you are spiritual or if you have experienced it yourself then understand. I have experienced exactly what Krissi is talking about. To have someone who passed and all of a sudden out the clear sky you can smell them and feel their presence. Some people just aren't open to it. I don't fault him for not understanding but it is cruel to dismiss her experience as delusion.

THIS!!!! All of this & some more of this! I can personally say that I too have experienced exactly what Krissi is talking about but that's because of my faith & what I believe.

[bcnulater]

Lisa, on 14 March 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Joleen, on 14 March 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

They discussed what Bobbi Kris said on Dr. Drew and that what she
said about her mom passing through her is just a way of grieving or holding on to
words that Whitney would tell her to comfort her. And somebody on his panel said she's a little delusional. I strongly believe Whitney was there in spirit and it wasn't just something in her mind.

We shouldn't pay attention to these losers.

I'm nowhere near as spiritual as the Houston family. But when my mother passed away, I felt the same thing that Krissi described. You feel like your loved one is with you all the time. You hear them in your head, you remember everything they said. Now, years later, I still think of my mom every single day. I hear her in songs. She's still with me. It's a normal feeling that can happen to anyone who suffers a tremendous loss. It's not a delusion, and it's not a ghost. What the person meant to you in life does not go away with their passing. And if anyone thinks that's delusional, then I suggest they go seek a doctor to see if they still have a heart or brain in their body.

My mom didn't ring doorbells or turn the lights on and off. I chalk that up to the Houston family's spirituality. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with Krissi or her way of grieving, and these people should be kicked in the BLEEP! for suggesting any such thing. They're just a bunch of self-serving, self-aggrandizing bottom feeders.

THIS!!!!

truthspeaker06, on 14 March 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

NippyFanNy779, on 14 March 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

People who don't have faith and don't believe in anything greater than themselves will never understand. They dismiss it as delusion or fantasy because they cannot scientifically explain it. But if you are spiritual or if you have experienced it yourself then understand. I have experienced exactly what Krissi is talking about. To have someone who passed and all of a sudden out the clear sky you can smell them and feel their presence. Some people just aren't open to it. I don't fault him for not understanding but it is cruel to dismiss her experience as delusion.

THIS!!!! All of this & some more of this! I can personally say that I too have experienced exactly what Krissi is talking about but that's because of my faith & what I believe.

AND THAT!!!! Totally agree...selfish people who stepped out of the humble line, looking for fifteen minutes of fame love to make a mockery of faith and spirituality. It really disgusts me.

[buddha]

You don't even have to be very spiritual to understand Bobbi Kristina's feelings. Personally I don't believe in ghosts or spirits ringing doorbells and flickering lights but saying someone is delusional is offensive because that implies a mental condition and there's a long way to go before such beliefs become that.

[Kevin]

I'm not as religious or spiritual as the Houston family, but I do believe that when one dies, the soul leaves the body and becomes a spirit. We are all souls that will soon become spirits. Whether turning lights on or ringing door bells is something Whitney did as a spirit, we will never know.

I have been in my house and the TV came on itself. I was listening to Whitney actually on the computer, headphones on, and the TV came on. I looked around the room, no one was there. I jumped so quickly off the computer chair into the other room with my parents and I was in state of shock. I immediately felt there was a spirit in the room playing games. Whoever "that" was, hasn't done it again. I am a true believe in spirit beings.

[KSL415]

I most definitely believe in spirits, and things like that. I think Whitney was visiting Krissy and just finding her way back to heaven. I've personally have felt things like that when family members of mine have passed, and have heard stories from other family members. But that's just me belief.

[PontusFromSweden]

NippyFanNy779, on 14 March 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

People who don't have faith and don't believe in anything greater than themselves will never understand. They dismiss it as delusion or fantasy because they cannot scientifically explain it. But if you are spiritual or if you have experienced it yourself then understand. I have experienced exactly what Krissi is talking about. To have someone who passed and all of a sudden out the clear sky you can smell them and feel their presence. Some people just aren't open to it. I don't fault him for not understanding but it is cruel to dismiss her experience as delusion.

Even I understand this and got extremely pissed off when feeling the presence of a dead loved one being dismissed as delusional, and it´no secret what i think and believe
I getting really sick of this drew dude now!

[Every1lovesNippy]

Just listened to Dionne's ET interview. That is how it should be done; complimented to Krissy and had Whitney's back. She is a class act. The more I get to know Dionne in this difficult time, the more I admire her.

[John-John]

It's been a few days since the interview. My initial impressions mostly unchanged, but my criticisms are not hateful or assumptive.

1. I would be so proud to have a daughter as poised, polished, and self-possessed as Krissi. I saw strength in that young woman i didnt suspect was there! In fact, i was MOST impressed w/ those short minutes & she was the only person imvolved (including Oprah) who DIDN'T disappoint me at all! Whitney did her job in preparing her child for the spotlight. I love how she spoke fearlessly about her reliance on family, faith, and her mom's spirit. Like mother, like daughter.

2. Gary's emotion was so raw. It all felt like yesterday again, not a month.

3. I appreciated Pat's account of what happened 2/11. Above all else, she maintained Whitney's dignity. Her body seems to have been treated with respect. I respect Pat for that.

4. My problem with Oprah: Whitney wouldnt spill her guts as much as O wanted in 09. Whitney was intentionally vague on the drug "timeline." And Whitney was clear that she was done with talking about after the interview. Oprah should have respected that and not ask her family after her death.

Oprah wanted to know for selfish personal reasons including the need of a ratings windfall to reverse the steady hemorrhage of subscriber/viewer (read: advertiser revenue) loss.

That said, I like Oprah & respect her still. She didn't do anything I didn't expect. Which brings me to # 5...

5. "Everybody don't have to know everything." -- My Mama. Pat didn't have to answer everything or give an answer O would like. Absolutely unnecessary to talk about: the when/who start of drug use, the "Whitney had a wild side" references, & her opinions about Whitney's love life/partner choice. Revealing this stuff has ZERO value to Whitney, her daughter, or anyone else...except tabloid media/ gossip columnist etc.

Yes, we need to have people who will tell us the truth in our lives--the key being while we are ALIVE.

But criticizing a dead loved one for perceived faults or bad judgments publicly is at best--petty, and passive-aggressive type behavior.

At worst--disloyal, meticulously schemed maliciousness.

6. Theres nothing in the interviews to validate not waiting. When Cissy said "too soon," I don't expect Oprah to cool her heels, but everyone else in the family would do well to follow Cissy the matriarch's lead: respect her experience, wisdom, and above all else--her feelings.

They should have at least waited for the coroner's final report--which might have further rendered Oprah's "drug prying" irrelevant. And if by chance the report was not what the family hoped for, they would still have a definitive canned response ready to shoot down inappropriate questions.

A one month "lunar-versary" is not a good reason for the interview IMHO.

7. Appoint Dionne family spokesperson.

[the1nonlydkd]

My feelings of this interview are slowly starting to change...

[buddha]

I thought the interview was fine. Overall it left a positive impression on Whitney especially through her daughter. I did think that some things that Pat Houston said were a bit unnecessary even though I appreciate her honesty it could have been just about cleaning up a few rumors and presenting Whitney in a good light. But as I said positive was the end feeling I had so it was overall fine.

Again I really don't get the Pat hate and where it all stems from, the wild accusations of various things that are based on nothing but "feeling". If there was actually some substance there I wouldn't be so annoyed by it but since there isn't...

[John-John]

What's annoying to me is how some fans cannot tolerate calm, sane criticism of someone they've personally decided is above criticism.

How is expressing concerns/observations which happen to be subjective and/or opinion oriented "hating on someone?" I'm not talking about leaps of logic a few fans made recently & I agree & respect Lisa's post. I'm not referring to the renegade, conspiracy theorists of course.

[tms78]

Whitney was human. An exceptionally talented singer, but still human. Breathtakingly beautiful, but still human. I think a lot of us are upset at the fact that she was a lot more human than we care to accept.

In hearing BK, Pat, & Gary, I hear stories of a woman who is not dissimilar to women in my immediate family.

I love Whitney more after the interview for that fact.

[truthspeaker06]

John-John, on 15 March 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

What's annoying to me is how some fans cannot tolerate calm, sane criticism of someone they've personally decided is above criticism.

How is expressing concerns/observations which happen to be subjective and/or opinion oriented "hating on someone?" I'm not talking about leaps of logic a few fans made recently & I agree & respect Lisa's post. I'm not referring to the renegade, conspiracy theorists of course.

I'm perfectly fine with criticism of this one & that one, but at some point I feel it crosses a line & some of these conspiracy theories are really troubling. Idk I have a hard time reading some the things I've been seeing. Some of them I wouldn't dare even repeat

[NippyFanNy779]

John-John, on 15 March 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

6. Theres nothing in the interviews to validate not waiting. When Cissy said "too soon," I don't expect Oprah to cool her heels, but everyone else in the family would do well to follow Cissy the matriarch's lead: respect her experience, wisdom, and above all else--her feelings.

They should have at least waited for the coroner's final report--which might have further rendered Oprah's "drug prying" irrelevant. And if by chance the report was not what the family hoped for, they would still have a definitive canned response ready to shoot down inappropriate questions.

A one month "lunar-versary" is not a good reason for the interview IMHO.

THIS!!! ALLL OF THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ THANK YOU! Is Cissy NOT the head of this family?!? Did Cissy say NO its too soon ...then the buck stops there!

[John-John]

truthspeaker06, on 15 March 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

John-John, on 15 March 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

What's annoying to me is how some fans cannot tolerate calm, sane criticism of someone they've personally decided is above criticism.

How is expressing concerns/observations which happen to be subjective and/or opinion oriented "hating on someone?" I'm not talking about leaps of logic a few fans made recently & I agree & respect Lisa's post. I'm not referring to the renegade, conspiracy theorists of course.

I'm perfectly fine with criticism of this one & that one, but at some point I feel it crosses a line & some of these conspiracy theories are really troubling. Idk I have a hard time reading some the things I've been seeing. Some of them I wouldn't dare even repeat

I believe there's a big difference between making baseless, irresponsible accusations & respectfully stating one's unpopular, but no less valid, observations, opinions, etc...

Trust me. Im easy-going and as mellow as a fellow you'll ever know. And I avoid confrontation as much as possible in the "real" world and in cyberspace. It's not about making dramatic, sensational comments to rile folks up. Never been me.

Maybe all of us who share similar thoughts about the situation are being lumped together: the far-fetched conspiracy theorists with the moderates but unfortunately we all are labeled irrational or in need of grief mgmt, whatever. Lol!

I wanted to clarify what I think. And as always, my posts are consistently, 100% John-John--not perfect but never trouble seeking.