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[Undefeated]

The media was just dragging Whitney's name through the mud. They spent the past few weeks rambling on about alcohol and prescription pills, and those things have not even been mentioned as having anything to do with her death. Was alcohol even found in her system?

But it doesn't matter because they succeeded in creating the perception that set this whole thing up. I suppose it's because of the past few weeks of diligent mudslinging that they are able to just say "we found cocaine" and thus nobody even asks "so...um... exactly htf did she drown?"

[CoNcLusIveTrUthZ]

buddha, on 24 March 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

I'm personally not ruling out the conspiracy theories completely, weird and awful things happen in the world. But I am choosing to give far more weight to the far more likely events at this moment, which are that Whitney died as a result of relapse and failing health. It does not make me gullible if I'm not making major leaps in logic and giving in to the lure of conspiracy theories. None of us are investigators of the case and are making connections with very little facts.

Absolutely not Budda. I don't even think it's 100%. It just seems like all of this has the makings for a hollywood movie. Her whole life has been. She drowns in the tub, no one knows why the tests come backa nd suddenly "oh cocaine - that's why". Sure, I get it. It could be that ONE TIME and it kills her. "Take me far away from the battle" - maybe he did just that. There are so many unanswered odd questions that make your mind go that way. I would never think it untill now. It's probably irrational grief, nonetheless disturbing. I don't get it. There are so many concidences and weird aspects to the story.

[JetStar254]

I'm saddened to know that Whitney was still using. I thought she had been clean since 2006. Even when she went to rehab last year I thought it was just for a follow-up.

She told Oprah that she used to cover up pain, I feel sad that she felt so much pain. But Whitney was a grown woman who made her own decisions. I know for a fact that for a person to become clean, they have to make the decision themselves. Nobody can make them for you. Whitney's death made me even more scared for my cousin who literally lost everything because of drugs and to this day is still using. Ugh, I hate drugs so much!

I wonder if she would have just got her fruit stand would she still be with us?

R.I.P Queen

[CoNcLusIveTrUthZ]

JetStar254, on 24 March 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I'm saddened to know that Whitney was still using. I thought she had been clean since 2006. Even when she went to rehab last year I thought it was just for a follow-up.

She told Oprah that she used to cover up pain, I feel sad that she felt so much pain. But Whitney was a grown woman who made her own decisions. I know for a fact that for a person to become clean, they have to make the decision themselves. Nobody can make them for you. Whitney's death made me even more scared for my cousin who literally lost everything because of drugs and to this day is still using. Ugh, I hate drugs so much!

I wonder if she would have just got her fruit stand would she still be with us?

R.I.P Queen

When that exact thought hit me, I cried like a baby. Maybe getting back to work wasn't the best option afterall. At least not untill she was ready and felt okay to do so, at the same time I feel like she needed to in order to just want to. The fact is someone shouldn't do something if they don't want to initially. A mixed bag. Poor Krissi.

[John-John]

That's the thing that hurts so damn much:

She didn't get a chance to retire completely with no record contracts or expectations & see her grand kids. I believe her when she said thats how she saw her future.

Yeah yeah yeah she's at peace now yada yada yada...
I wish she had peace in this world even if that meant she never sang another note or took a photo. That's what I wanted after the NBL tour. Just her to feel happy safe & anonymous.

[Petra]

John-John, on 24 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

That's the thing that hurts so damn much:

She didn't get a chance to retire completely with no record contracts or expectations & see her grand kids. I believe her when she said thats how she saw her future.

Yeah yeah yeah she's at peace now yada yada yada...
I wish she had peace in this world even if that meant she never sang another note or took a photo. That's what I wanted after the NBL tour. Just her to feel happy safe & anonymous.

Cosign

I was feeling really happy for her during those last couple of months because she was doing Sparkle and was so excited about it. It was her baby and she was so radiant. I was also excited about GTH. And then i heard what Neyo said about her new album, that she wanted songs that would let the people know she was happy. So these projects really seemed something SHE wanted. And that's what I wanted for her, to do things that made her happy.

And then when it was all over, whether 2 years from now or 5 or 10, I was hoping she would retire and live the rest of her life supporting Krissi, loving her grandchildren... She deserved that normalcy, she said it numerous times, that she wanted to be normal. After everything she had given to the world, after her whole life spent on stages and in the public eye, it was only fair for her to get at least some time just for herself and her family, far away from all the cameras.

We would still be her fans, we would still love her and respect her immensely and we would understand that she deserved that.

It saddens me so much, I can't even put it in words, that she didn't get that. It seems so unfair. I love her so much, I can't even begin to describe it. I love her for the person she was, with all her talents and shortcomings. Nothing will ever change that, but I am truly devastated by the way her story ended.

[Every1lovesNippy]

John-John, on 24 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

That's the thing that hurts so damn much:

She didn't get a chance to retire completely with no record contracts or expectations & see her grand kids. I believe her when she said thats how she saw her future.

Yeah yeah yeah she's at peace now yada yada yada...
I wish she had peace in this world even if that meant she never sang another note or took a photo. That's what I wanted after the NBL tour. Just her to feel happy safe & anonymous.

Let the church say, "Amen."

[Every1lovesNippy]

Petra, on 24 March 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

John-John, on 24 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

That's the thing that hurts so damn much:

She didn't get a chance to retire completely with no record contracts or expectations & see her grand kids. I believe her when she said thats how she saw her future.

Yeah yeah yeah she's at peace now yada yada yada...
I wish she had peace in this world even if that meant she never sang another note or took a photo. That's what I wanted after the NBL tour. Just her to feel happy safe & anonymous.

Cosign

I was feeling really happy for her during those last couple of months because she was doing Sparkle and was so excited about it. It was her baby and she was so radiant. I was also excited about GTH. And then i heard what Neyo said about her new album, that she wanted songs that would let the people know she was happy. So these projects really seemed something SHE wanted. And that's what I wanted for her, to do things that made her happy.

And then when it was all over, whether 2 years from now or 5 or 10, I was hoping she would retire and live the rest of her life supporting Krissi, loving her grandchildren... She deserved that normalcy, she said it numerous times, that she wanted to be normal. After everything she had given to the world, after her whole life spent on stages and in the public eye, it was only fair for her to get at least some time just for herself and her family, far away from all the cameras.

We would still be her fans, we would still love her and respect her immensely and we would understand that she deserved that.

It saddens me so much, I can't even put it in words, that she didn't get that. It seems so unfair. I love her so much, I can't even begin to describe it. I love her for the person she was, with all her talents and shortcomings. Nothing will ever change that, but I am truly devastated by the way her story ended.

Now you are making me cry. That's the thing, Nip gave everything to the world and never got half of what she needed or deserved in return.

[dablack11]

Conclusive and John John nailed it for me, esp conclusive with the questions that were mentioned. Nothing adds up about this, everything seems so placed, almost as if it was time to "pull off the heist" and put the plan into action. As someone else on here mentioned back when the story of her death first broke, something seemed very eerie and odd about Beverly Hills and LA during that time, even seeing her out and about felt odd... we were glad to see her, but something didnt feel right... its hard to explain, but it's like watching the Selena movie, and it's approaching the part where she dies... and boom, she's gone. The cocaine thing to me seems planted. I'm not saying its impossible for her to have relapsed esp with all of the action going on around her at that time, but it just doesnt make sense. Leola Brown said that her sister (in law) would not just die like that, something else happened, and i believe her. Pat's comments during the funeral and Oprah now makes sense (the Jesus couldnt save everyone... and the "writings on the wall" comment), was this all part of this plan?? Only God knows, and he brought her home.

As for John John, I really wish she had gotten peace on earth as well. Whitney made it absolutely clear that the business had changed and it was NOT fun anymore, yet she came back, had to endure more public ridicule, the comments from her tour, etc. Although she did not get the peace she deserved on Earth, she doesnt have to worry about anything else anymore.

[remamamama]

Any thoughts on this? If this is true they need to do an investigation. It hurts me to know that Whitney was surrounded by horrible people like Raffles and yet no one did anything about it. I know it comes from a gossip site, but it does seem they know many details and I do believe them....This man revolts me. And if the part about Pat & Gary is real, I honestly don't know what to think.

Raffles van Exel Revealed to be Whitney Houston’s Drug Dealer

HSK Exclusive – A man has come forward exclusively to HSK claiming he intends to file an affidavit with the Beverly Hills and Los Angeles police departments. In the affidavit, this very reliable source, asserts that the man known as Raffles van Exel (not his real name) was in fact the drug supplier for Whitney Houston leading up to her death. As HSK previously reported that the surname van Exel was taken from his stepfather.

The man coming forward resides outside of the United States and claims he has spoken to a detectives before, but at the time, his claims were “swept under the rug”. With the medical examiner and toxicology reports on Whitney’s death being release yesterday, people were left with more questions than answers.

The reports claim Whitney was using cocaine right up until moments before her death. The cause of death is listed as accidental drowning, which may or may not have been preceded by a heart attack due to corrosive artery buildup from chronic drug abuse. Other drugs found in her system at the time of death include: Xanax, Benadryl, muscle relaxer and marijuana.

Here is what the source revealed to me:

“Raffles always enters the country illegally. The first time he was deported was 13 years ago after being arrested in Chicago for shoplifting. Raffles has been deported at least 6 times now.

Raffles comes into your life when your down. He latched onto Michael during the molestation trial. He got Whitney during her depression.

Raffles served no purpose except being the drug supplier in these celebrity camps which he infiltrated with lies. Pat and Gary new what Raffles’ role was, yet they still allowed him to remove all evidence from the room before paramedics and police arrived.

Pat and Gary also knew that Raffles had taken and sold the photos (gurney and tub) to the tabloids well before they invited him to fly on Tyler Perry’s private jet as Whitney’s body was flown home.”

It’s been revealed via Forbes that the gurney photo, supposedly of Whitney Houston’s body being removed from the Beverly Hilton hotel was in fact actually Bobbi Kristina being taken to the hospital following a nervous breakdown. That photo was taken and sold by Raffles. Raffles is also the person who took and sold the photo of the tub where Whitney had died.

In recent history, Raffles was fingered by the family of Jazz great George Benson after allegedly stealing $25,000 is cash from the Benson home. Raffles has been sued before as Raffles Benson, a name he assumed to commit fraud against unsuspecting victims, as evidenced in the exclusive video posted below. The Benson family previously issued him a order to “cease and desist” from using the Benson name.

Here is some of what another source revealed:

“Raffles was on SBS6 over here in Holland, he told the reporter that he was the “only” person authorized to clean all the drugs and paraphernalia out of the room.

I met Raffles through a friend, his stories were always so grandiose most people didn’t believe him. Then he would have pictures of himself with all these big American celebrities. So people figured some of what he said must be true.

A Dutch singer named Connie was conned by Raffles several years ago after Raffles told her he arranged for her to sing at the birthday party for then president G.W. Bush. It never happened.”

With new evidence also exclusively received by HSK, we expect investigating departments to treat this the same as they do doctor prescribed pharmaceuticals. Why investigate only the Oxycontin dealer and not the cocaine supplier too.

If still in the USA, Raffles is being sought after by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement department (ICE).

Did Raffles van Exel commit a crime by removing evidence from the room where Whitney lay dead? Of course he did. Don’t believe me.. Ask Dr. Conrad Murray.

http://diaryofaholly...ns-drug-dealer/

[Divaish]

Ya'll are making me cry! And making too much damn sense!
I, like some of you don't completely rule out foul play.
I just wish she could have ended up happy, being a mom, being a grandma.
I wouldn't have cared if she ever sang another note. She gave us enough for a lifetime!
Glad it's not so crazy over here. The CW board is getting a little rough. Some "fans" have already turned their backs, quit playing her music, etc.
I understand being upset and angry, but, damn, she was only human. Maybe, I process it differently because I've been through this with members of my own family with death being the end game. Ironically, it was her music that got me through it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "The human race as of late, hurts my head, heart and spirit.
Peace ya'll

[John-John]

I saw Inside Edition fri 2/10 & knew something was wrong. Scenes & pix from the club had my spidey sense tingling.

Then Raffles was brought to my attention. He was every damn place that week around Whitney popping up in pix like the "where's Waldo" game.

But another fan said it 3x before the tix report came out & I agreed: we were both concerned & were sure there'd be something in the tox report & it wouldn't be alcohol or "just" weed. I knew it when Pat did the interview. Almost like she was absolving herself of responsibility BEFORE the report hit.

The timeline around her death isn't clear. I'm sorry. I'm not buying the story full of holes as of present.

Does it mean I believe in a conspiracy? Nah. Too many questions for me to hypothesize anything definite. I have suspicions but I'm keeping them between myself & a select few.

But I know there's more to it. And people close to her know more than they're telling. And yes, Im including Pat too.

Who cleaned the room? That's my biggie. Police were there for hours but no drug paraphernalia yet noted. Where did it go?

[juzly]

John-John, on 25 March 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

I saw Inside Edition fri 2/10 & knew something was wrong. Scenes & pix from the club had my spidey sense tingling.

Then Raffles was brought to my attention. He was every damn place that week around Whitney popping up in pix like the "where's Waldo" game.

But another fan said it 3x before the tix report came out & I agreed: we were both concerned & were sure there'd be something in the tox report & it wouldn't be alcohol or "just" weed. I knew it when Pat did the interview. Almost like she was absolving herself of responsibility BEFORE the report hit.

The timeline around her death isn't clear. I'm sorry. I'm not buying the story full of holes as of present.

Does it mean I believe in a conspiracy? Nah. Too many questions for me to hypothesize anything definite. I have suspicions but I'm keeping them between myself & a select few.

But I know there's more to it. And people close to her know more than they're telling. And yes, Im including Pat too.

Who cleaned the room? That's my biggie. Police were there for hours but no drug paraphernalia yet noted. Where did it go?

I'm telling ya JJ, it;s not just fans who are thinking this way. I have been talking to people, who arn't Whitney fans, and see something unfolding that they can't close there eyes to.

Am i right here? The coroner said Whitney used right before she passed? Then if she used with someone else, he/she would be right there then right? If she used myself, in the bathroom, where's the stuff. Why lie, cover it up, when you know it would came up in toxicology? Sometimes family do irrational things, thinking of the 'shame', do they look like they were irrational, panicked telling a different story to cover that?. IDK,

[Petra]

Well, the first time I got the feeling something was off was after that interview. A lot of people said they liked it and I was like "Did we watch the same thing?" But I won't go there, we have our suspicions, but no real evidence. I'm not gonna point fingers and say some family members knew something about it, we don't even know if there is an "it" to begin with. But something is very wrong and the whole story just doesn't add up. I'm only afraid that the police is going to close the case and these questions will remain forever unanswered.

[Lisa]

I understand that everyone needs to do what they must in order to cope, and we all need a safe place in order to express ourselves, but I feel like we're getting further and further away from reality, moving toward theories of our own, with little or no facts, just to make ourselves feel better. It's getting a bit irrational, and it's making me uncomfortable to read this thread. I didn't really feel this way until just now, over the past few pages. I've seen this happen at MJ boards, and I don't want to see that happen here. MJ fans can be very over the top, and I don't want to be surrounded by that. I need to cope too. Where am I supposed to go if I don't even feel comfortable in my own home, which I personally maintain?