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dablack11, on 27 February 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:
CoNcLusIveTrUthZ, on 27 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:
You know what, I keep staying out of the Clive stuff but I find it odd that everyone is suddenly down Clive's back. This man has had Whitney's back through all the hell and all of it. Just because 1) Clive made a statement about not doing another album untill she could knock everyone out again is not a big deal. You wanna castrate someone for that, start with your family at home (on Whitney-Fan.com. We're all guility of wanting better vocally from Whitney) 2) Clive Davis' name is the only thing in control of that party now. A major corporate conglomerate doesn't just add their name to a party for the sake of BLEEP! and giggles and titles. It's all finanical. Clive doesn't pay for that party entirely out of pocket anymore, it's shared now with NARAS. Trust had Clive paid for that party and could make the shots, that party woulda been cancelled the second he heard. I think people need to get the BLEEP! off Clive's back in all honest about the party. EVERYONE.
Secondly - If the movie rumors are true it makes sense. One of the 100,000 thoughts that went through my head during those first few days was if Clive was gonna jump on the movie production so HE could have control of it so it wasn't a 2 hr movie about BBB & Drug Usuage as the entire world seems to want to focus on the legacy of Whitney Houston. He prolly wants his name on it from the get go so that it can be done the way IT SHOULD BE DONE. Be about the voice, the artistry, the icon, the phenomena. Not the drug addiction and tumultuous marriage that media likes to stay hard about.
Thirdly - His comments were not that strange at the funeral. Everyone deals with death differently. I didn't wanna belive it was all real untill I had to at 12pm, Saturday February 18. At 3:30 PM I watched Whitney's casket be taken off the camera. That's when it was too real for comfort. Whitney & Clive's industry relationship is a legacy in itself. The both of them loved each other very very much.
Lastly I just don't think it's fair that her fans are going for someone she loved so much after she's dead. While all her fans were talking BLEEP! about her voice on the album and how she needs to do A,B,C to X,Y,Z Clive stood there in front of the entire industry and continually gave Whitney the props she deserved and BLEEP! earned. That funeral chat was disrespectable as Rhianna would say on GOT 2 BE REAL. I stopped paying attention anyhow. Should I think none of us are fans because people were having a good old time talking BLEEP! on Clive and everyone else? NO. We all grieve differently. Some are blasting Whitney's music, others can't stand the thought of hearing her in their head let alone blasting her on 40dbz. His controbution at the funeral was a mixed bag and rightfully so. He loved her beyond a business relationship; but also that's their history. I thought what he said was good. I liked that he kept defending her legacy. He's like the one guy always out there having her back for 30 years and couple things open to interpretation and folks wanna start hating on Clive. Ridiculous guys, c'mon!!
I don't think it's nice, I don't think it's fair to suddenly start hating on people because they want someone to be pissed off at because Whitney's dead. I'm pissed off too, I'm taking it out on all the morons in the world that are steppin on my toes the wrong way. I'm not gonna single out someone to vent about.
I don't think Clive is picture perfect either, however I do think it's BLEEP! to see Whitney fans suddenly all bent out of shape over him. The same BLEEP! y'all are doing is the same BLEEP! people did/doing to Whitney. Jumping to conclusions based on BLEEP!. We can jump to conclusions here about Whitney because at least we have enough 411 to put the pieces together (like her really wanting to comeback strong vocally, like her leaving Bobby before the NE article even came out in Mar 06, etc etc etc). I just think it's a big disservice to Whitney.
I'm too upset about Whitney though to put any real effort into my opinions. This is what I have to say about it all and I'm not up for discussing it. Just putting it out there.
Secondly - If the movie rumors are true it makes sense. One of the 100,000 thoughts that went through my head during those first few days was if Clive was gonna jump on the movie production so HE could have control of it so it wasn't a 2 hr movie about BBB & Drug Usuage as the entire world seems to want to focus on the legacy of Whitney Houston. He prolly wants his name on it from the get go so that it can be done the way IT SHOULD BE DONE. Be about the voice, the artistry, the icon, the phenomena. Not the drug addiction and tumultuous marriage that media likes to stay hard about.
Thirdly - His comments were not that strange at the funeral. Everyone deals with death differently. I didn't wanna belive it was all real untill I had to at 12pm, Saturday February 18. At 3:30 PM I watched Whitney's casket be taken off the camera. That's when it was too real for comfort. Whitney & Clive's industry relationship is a legacy in itself. The both of them loved each other very very much.
Lastly I just don't think it's fair that her fans are going for someone she loved so much after she's dead. While all her fans were talking BLEEP! about her voice on the album and how she needs to do A,B,C to X,Y,Z Clive stood there in front of the entire industry and continually gave Whitney the props she deserved and BLEEP! earned. That funeral chat was disrespectable as Rhianna would say on GOT 2 BE REAL. I stopped paying attention anyhow. Should I think none of us are fans because people were having a good old time talking BLEEP! on Clive and everyone else? NO. We all grieve differently. Some are blasting Whitney's music, others can't stand the thought of hearing her in their head let alone blasting her on 40dbz. His controbution at the funeral was a mixed bag and rightfully so. He loved her beyond a business relationship; but also that's their history. I thought what he said was good. I liked that he kept defending her legacy. He's like the one guy always out there having her back for 30 years and couple things open to interpretation and folks wanna start hating on Clive. Ridiculous guys, c'mon!!
I don't think it's nice, I don't think it's fair to suddenly start hating on people because they want someone to be pissed off at because Whitney's dead. I'm pissed off too, I'm taking it out on all the morons in the world that are steppin on my toes the wrong way. I'm not gonna single out someone to vent about.
I don't think Clive is picture perfect either, however I do think it's BLEEP! to see Whitney fans suddenly all bent out of shape over him. The same BLEEP! y'all are doing is the same BLEEP! people did/doing to Whitney. Jumping to conclusions based on BLEEP!. We can jump to conclusions here about Whitney because at least we have enough 411 to put the pieces together (like her really wanting to comeback strong vocally, like her leaving Bobby before the NE article even came out in Mar 06, etc etc etc). I just think it's a big disservice to Whitney.
I'm too upset about Whitney though to put any real effort into my opinions. This is what I have to say about it all and I'm not up for discussing it. Just putting it out there.
I know your response wasnt geared towards me personally, but I stated my reasons for not feeling Clive too much, and it has nothing to do with all the other stuff, I just find it hard to believe that you did not break down when the woman you were supposed to walk the damn red carpet with is dead. This is someone who's back you've had throughout the years and all the other points you mentioned, she is dead, and you did not cry??? I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Maybe he held it together for the party, maybe he did cry in private, i dont know, but what I do know is that he did not show anything that night while he made his speech.
Some men are like that. They do their crying in private. My brother held it together to give a great eulogy at my father's funeral when my dad died unexpectedly. I don't think I could have done it. But, for the first time in as long as I can remember, maybe ever, I also saw my brother slobber like a baby, at home, in private, when it was just us kids and my mother was not around. People show emotions differently. Clive and whitney worked closely together for 30 years and he always had her back (whatever his motivations).
The party bothers me, as does the talk of a movie at this time, but we need to get the facts before slamming Clive. It's all gossip right now. Let's wait, listen and see. People will reveal themselves. It will all come out in the end 'cause somebody close to Whitney has been yapping to the press for the past several years and they ain't gonna stop now.
